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is it true there are other companies that started IKS at the same time as Sonicview and they are farther ahead? If so which?
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is it true there are other companies that started IKS at the same time as Sonicview and they are farther ahead? If so which?
From personal exp. CNX is doing a he11 of a job, of course Nfusion is ahead of the curve IMO, I have seen Kbox is also doing a good for there users. your best bet would be to hit the review section and also head over to each section of the "IKS" receivers to find out their "Pro & Cons" straight from the users of that certain brand. I think that each of the prosective companies have done a heck of job getting there customers some TV.
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Re: farther ahead than SV

SV is so far behind they think they are first, I have had an Ihub since the beginning and I got so frustrated I moved on.

It is not worth buying until they work it out. They do have a great coding team so Im sure they will come through, but they have a mountain to climb right now.

Nfusion is the IKS best bet right now, but apparently CNX and KBOX are getting on their heels.
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yeah sv's sucks a fat one but their site says they will soon be #1 lmao
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is it true there are other companies that started IKS at the same time as Sonicview and they are farther ahead? If so which?
iks has been around for at least 10yrs. (as I recall reading somewhere)
It was used for a period of time back then...later standalone solutions became available & iks went to the wayside.
I believe it was nFusion that did it first. (?)
SV is new to the game. beta
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SV is new to the game. beta

I didn't phrase my question very well. I was wondering who else was new to the game as well, and how far are they compared to SV?
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I didn't phrase my question very well. I was wondering who else was new to the game as well, and how far are they compared to SV?
OK..that's a bird of a different color.

I recommend the CNX Nano2 currently, and they have been doing very well...a lot better than SV for sure!

nFusion is a solid leader in iks arena but might lack some features or quality compared to other receivers...but their support is top notch.

kBox is real solid but lack some channels groups (currently) compared to other receivers.

iLink is up & coming strong...we about to expand here for this unit.
It shares the same basic support format as CNX boys...so it is prolly equal now to CNX.

I know little about Dreambox, but heard it may be in the game as well.

We have reviews for iks units here if you look.

This all changes often lately...with most units in beta still, but overall it is getting better every day.

The top 3 units currently are nFusion / CNX / kBox. (based on receiver & server)
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i think SV bit off more then they could chew ,, assumed IKS was easy to implement,,
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i think SV bit off more then they could chew ,, assumed IKS was easy to implement,,

i think they thought iks as something not permanent for a file was imminent and that of course was a mistake

I'm sure it will be difficult for SV to compete for they are truly 6mos behind everyone

don't get me wrong, I would love to see SV back in the top 5

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they made a lick on thes hubs and it dont look like they are tring to bite down and make sure they work they will have to make the hubs work well i think before they make a bunch moore money iv belived in them they are startin to let me down fixin to go another route
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appreciate the answers. I still don't know enough yet to make a judgement. i wanted to know which companies started IKS technology as the same time as Sonicivew so I can better judge if they are dragging their feet, or doing all that can be expected.

For example lets say there was a box called Telstar. And let's say like SV it was not using IKS during N2. then N3 hits. Oh no lets get started on IKS technology. So now I would be able to say; hmmmm Telstar started IKS at the same time as SV but just look how many more channels they have and with less freezing now too! SV is really dragging their feet. So, is there a real life Telstar?
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it looks like when sv got busted thay have been going down hell ????
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There is ONLY ONE thing you need to know. SV is at the bottom of the list. Why is it so important that you know if another Box started at the same time?? Just know this, and you should be able to make your choice. Right now, and for months, SV has been at the bottom of the barrel, end of the line, PERIOD.
And don't ask what's in the future with SV, you'll get the same as any other BOX, don't know, can't say, can't guess.
Go ahead and make your decision. There are enough posts in this thread for you to make a great educated decision.
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Here's a real life Telstar. can't say if I've ever heard of a Telstar STB.

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appreciate the answers. I still don't know enough yet to make a judgement. i wanted to know which companies started IKS technology as the same time as Sonicivew so I can better judge if they are dragging their feet, or doing all that can be expected.

For example lets say there was a box called Telstar. And let's say like SV it was not using IKS during N2. then N3 hits. Oh no lets get started on IKS technology. So now I would be able to say; hmmmm Telstar started IKS at the same time as SV but just look how many more channels they have and with less freezing now too! SV is really dragging their feet. So, is there a real life Telstar?
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I still dont know which companies started developing IKS at the same time as SV. Forgive my language if my question is not clear. I mean started on IKS technology from scratch on or about "N3" day the way SV did. Obviously nfusion did not.

Comparing features is helpful of course, but you can't really compare one company that's been doing IKS for years with Sonicview. If possible I'd like to compare Sonicview with a company that started developing IKS at the same time.


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I still dont know which companies started developing IKS at the same time as SV. Forgive my language if my question is not clear. I mean started on IKS technology from scratch on or about "N3" day the way SV did. Obviously nfusion did not.

Comparing features is helpful of course, but you can't really compare one company that's been doing IKS for years with Sonicview. If possible I'd like to compare Sonicview with a company that started developing IKS at the same time.


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What Zekester is trying to say is, everything is changing so fast currently, that it really doesn't matter who did what in the past...what matters now is who is on top right now!
FTA companies come & go all the time.
We just saw Coolsat die & now Sonicview is one foot in the grave.
I think Pansat is done too.
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I still dont know which companies started developing IKS at the same time as SV. Forgive my language if my question is not clear. I mean started on IKS technology from scratch on or about "N3" day the way SV did. Obviously nfusion did not.

Comparing features is helpful of course, but you can't really compare one company that's been doing IKS for years with Sonicview. If possible I'd like to compare Sonicview with a company that started developing IKS at the same time.


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The K-Box K-Hub is not nearly as popular as other IKS solutions, and suprisingly it appears to be one of the most stable solutions tested thus far with very minimal downtime and quite an abundance of channels to enjoy. We are actively testing both the K-Box K1 Heros Plus with the original grey version of the K-Hub along with the K-Box Prodigy and sleek black new v2 version. This may change as more users catch on and begin testing this platform. There has been only a few extended outages for their IKS service, as adjustments were made to the production server. While there are less US channels available through the K-Box solution they were the first to bring PPV events on DN Channel 455. Other solutions have since followed in their footsteps. The K-Box does support a higher number of international channels than most other solutions.
The Neosat EKS solution is a PAID solution for Neosat Ipro 2000/+ users only at this time, but it is being designed from the ground up to us an advanced method of IKS known as "Extreme Key Sharing (EKS), that will support additional brands and models in the future. We were happy to be a part of the initial test group for this solution, and it definitely will get the Neosat Ipro 2000/+ working, however there are several issues that concern us. First and foremost is the complexity some are having getting things setup or activated with the EKS support group at ExtremeDVB. A PayPal donation system is used to upgrade your account at ExtremeDVB to include GOLD VIP membership, which includes access to the EKS service. Since its public launch last week, it has been what seems like a support nightmare in getting everyone who paid activated. This is mostly the fault of new clients who are not providing accurate setup information through the donation system, which requires the special private BOX KEYS and model serial number. According to latest reports most have now been activated successfully. Now confident existing users are setup and with a new donation and support process, they have resume accepting Lifetime donations for $100, and have abandoned the plans to change that to an annual fee for users above 500. The EKS service was initially plagued with a ton of freezing and downtime, as have most IKS style solutions when first launched. As time has passed we have seen a big improvement in support by the ExtremeDVB Team and much greater overall stability.
The Nfusion IKS solution was first to give many users access to N3 content on the popular canadian BEV service. First in North American support for N3 via IKS , it was expected that they would do very well in providing a DN solution. This unfortunately was not the case in late June and early July. The Nfusion solution has been scarred badly as Nova users were restricted from using the first round of DN IKS testing based on the support groups claims security issues among clones are preventing them from giving support to Nova owners. In a bad move, all support for the Nfusion Nova on both BEV and DN was taken away even after a Mac and Cheese exploit was made available to bypass mac based security. With a new security model in place, Nfusion Nova and clones are no longer able to use SUNS. Nfusion Nova users may again see life soon with private card sharing options and possibly an expansaion of Neosat EKS to include the Ipro 1000 series which is basically identical to the Nova. Solaris, Phoenix and HD receivers are however being supported by SUNS with more HD programming expected to come online soon on DN. Occasional freezes and maintenance downtime impact every IKS solution out there, and we are happy to see Nfusion making great strides in maintaining stability over the past several weeks. owners were told they needed to upgrade to a Solaris with a special upgrade network card. Then a week later, even those who purchased the upgrade were again dead in the water. The community had come up with its own Nfusion Nova workaround modification of the Solaris/Phoenix release and the Nfusion team shut it down along with those who had purchased the upgrade card. As for channel support, the Nfusion had originally offered the least amount of channels on DN and channels had been dropping on BEV as well. Thankfully to many Nfusion owners this has improved and there is now an abundance of working channels on both provider networks. As for the Nova, they have pretty much stated they will be shutting down all Nova support in September of 2009. Again the community has stepped up with a "temporary" Nova solution, known as Mac and Cheese, that essentially generates a Solaris mac address for the Nova with a custom BIN file. Unfortunately now we have come full circle, and we are now combatting eachother. We hope the Nfusion IKS team works with the community on setting up a vialble alternative that works for everyone.
The Sonicview iHub solution was the first N3 solution we tested for DN. The Sonicview iHub offers a large number of channels on both BEV and DN, however stability issues from its inception to even today are of great concern to many of its product owners. Sonicview USA had also been named in a recent lawsuit resulting in concerns by some about this solutions future. The Sonicview iHub solution is plagued as well by a large number of testers who jumped on this offering as it was the first DN solution to hit the streets in Late June of 2009. Continued sales means more and more uses every day. When the system is stable it works beautifully with a great number of viewable channels on both major providers. When its not working, the FTA community goes into an uproar. The last two rounds of fixes for the iHub introduced an unhealthy dose of confusion in accurately setting up the product, with network configuation issues being at the heart of all the problems facing this solution. We do expect that these issues will be addressed in short order, possibly with a new round of files that may correct the abundance of version 82 and IP Config issues and errors. Many users are unable to connect to the iHub service when using the required DNS entry and in September of 2009, securit enforcement was enabled and no one is working without having the correct and sometimes hard to read serial number entered accurately within the Network Config menu screen the last fix was meant to keep you out of. Many have problems using the Wiznet application and some wind up having the Network menu area dissappear. Most of these issues can be resolved with the help of many great people in the community who offer assistance. Very unfortunately, Sonicview does not keep a scheduled maintenance window and cab ne up or down any time of the day or night and battles freezing issues on an almost daily basis and even has a plagued 1 freeze per hour built right in. Sonicview is now considered the least stable solution of all and they have much to do to restore faith in end users that have been trading in for an alternate solution. Many believe they should rethink their strategy on how they employ the solution and make big time improvements to server and client code. We are sorry to see Sonicview continue on a downward spiral. The loss of BEV over the past months have also lowered Sonicviews Channel Availability score. The Sonysat solution is still pretty much a Nagravision 3 workaround virgin although they have been successfully running IKS for years, perhaps longer than any other. The new ShowMe X2 Adapter is being tested in our lab using the Sonysat DCR 5500 pvr model and while it was down nearly a month to address server load and demand issues along with a hardware meltdown, this box sees little to no freezing on available channels when the server is functional. Although back online for less than a week now, the Sonysat solution looks like it will be a strong and viable contender
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If you're wanting an iks receiver the top 3 in this order in my opinion are nfusion, kbox and cnx...and I have to agree with zeke...what is the big deal who came out at the same time as sv? Thats irrellevent...
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iks has been around for at least 10yrs. (as I recall reading somewhere)
It was used for a period of time back then...later standalone solutions became available & iks went to the wayside.
I believe it was nFusion that did it first. (?)
SV is new to the game. beta
I think you are correct, but the nfusion at this time was the Neosat Pro 1000 with IKS. There were two partners involved in the venture and they had a falling out and one bolted. He in turn came up with the nfusion and apparentely he had the rights to IKS solution. If no one can remember the other guy came out with the Neosat 2000, which became a flop. This is the reason that nfusion is ahead of the other receivers with the IKS. (I owned the pro 1000 and when n2 hit I still had tv.)
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