Motorola DSR-4500X - ABA DSS

ccctvp · June 2nd, 2009

Hello everyone,
I am new to the forum and joined to learn more about FTA and to get some help with my Motorola DSR-4500X. We (TV Studio) have two other FTA systems, but would like to use the Motorola to pickup the research ch. and or the pentegon ch. The problem is that the Motorola has a very diffrent setup than the other FTA systems that we have. The information that I need is the frequency, the VCT# and the channell # of these channels. This link: Annenberg Media: Satellite Information Tells you how to setup my reciever for the annenberg channel. Can anyone Help?

capncrunk · June 2nd, 2009

Do you know which sat you will be pulling these channels from? if so i can probably find that info for you...

It would take me forever to locate which Sat broadcast these channels.

capncrunk · June 2nd, 2009

Actually I did find some info....

Quote:

Motorola calls the digital channel map/template the VCT ID (Virtual Channel Table).
The VCT ID is set in the billing system software, based on the headend configuration used by the system operator.

That info isn't going to come off of Lyngsat.....

however, Pentagon Channel on AMC 1 at 103.0 degrees West is

frequency 12100 transponder 20 (which probably translates to your box as 12100.20 if i understood my research correctly)
Channel # 4096

Research Channel on Galaxy 18 at 123.0 W
Freq 11805 tp 6 (11805.6 or 11805.06????)
Channel 1 (input as 0001 ?)

ccctvp · June 3rd, 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by capncrunk

Actually I did find some info....

That info isn't going to come off of Lyngsat.....

however, Pentagon Channel on AMC 1 at 103.0 degrees West is

frequency 12100 transponder 20 (which probably translates to your box as 12100.20 if i understood my research correctly)
Channel # 4096

Research Channel on Galaxy 18 at 123.0 W
Freq 11805 tp 6 (11805.6 or 11805.06????)
Channel 1 (input as 0001 ?)

It will not let me put a frequency that big in it. The highest it will let me type in is 2150.00MHz

capncrunk · June 3rd, 2009

Then you should just use the part before the decimal.

12100 for pentagon

11805 for research

ccctvp · June 3rd, 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by capncrunk

Then you should just use the part before the decimal.

12100 for pentagon

11805 for research

It will not fit the frequency is too long
12100 for pentagon
11805 for research
it will only go to 2150

I do not understand it because I have heard of people using this for FTA b4 but it will not go above 2150

captain · June 3rd, 2009

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Originally Posted by ccctvp

It will not let me put a frequency that big in it. The highest it will let me type in is 2150.00MHz

cctvp lets back up a forget what every else has posted, about you entering in the frequency on a DSR receiver, they don't work that way. they are giving you info on a mpeg receiver, which you don't have.

but you may want to get a mpeg (FTA) receiver would be easyer for you, an more stable to change channels.

Now 1st ? will a DSR4500 (should have a letter after model #, that will tell how many different SR it will work) tune a DVB signal?
I don't think that the 4500 does tune DVB only digi-chipper signal.

Now I have worked with DSR 4000, 4006, an 4200, an their is 3 models of each all depending on their SR that is set in them. the V model (V will be after the model of all 3 on the back of the receiver on its tag) which does most of the SR out their to this day.

now on you frequency, that you are entering, it is TP (transponder) NOT DOWN LINK, I use a 4006 here an it a nice unite all manual, but I can receive channels that a non production digi-chipper receiver will get. now on to c-band is a 20mhz split with you're lowest TP (or channel you may call like channel 1) is 1430.0, then the next TP will be 1410.0 an so on with a 20mhz shift, now you do know you're out put frequency of you're lnb is 950 to 1450 mhz, so you are tuning a TP, not down link frequency. an you're highest TP will be the lowest in frequency 970.0.

Option 6-7-7-8 then I like to select manual tune an set it all up from their on out.

Now on the Ku-band you're TP tunning is just the reverse of c-band, you're low TP will be you're low frequency of LNB ossalator TP 1 is 970.0, an TP 2 is 990.0, the same 20mhz shift but just backwards from c-band, also make shure you have a check mark in the Ku window.

now on another note cctvp, this DSR line is a little bugee if you have been trying to do some tuning an keep on seeing "Can Not Find Channel" you may want to to a master reset an then start putting the TP data back in it that receiver, I have to reset mine here from time to time. these receiver where ment to be on 1 channel only for commercial purpose, not to be used as a feed hunter would use it for, but they work very well for it as long as you understand the workings of 1.

good luck ccctvp, hope this helps on the dsr4500, if you have a problem on tunning it in get back will me, an I will pull out some of my tech sheets on that receiver.

**Victor Hugo** · June 3rd, 2009

Hello and welcome to ABA family, enjoy your stay.

ccctvp · June 4th, 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by captain

cctvp lets back up a forget what every else has posted, about you entering in the frequency on a DSR receiver, they don't work that way. they are giving you info on a mpeg receiver, which you don't have.

but you may want to get a mpeg (FTA) receiver would be easyer for you, an more stable to change channels.

Now 1st ? will a DSR4500 (should have a letter after model #, that will tell how many different SR it will work) tune a DVB signal?
I don't think that the 4500 does tune DVB only digi-chipper signal.

Now I have worked with DSR 4000, 4006, an 4200, an their is 3 models of each all depending on their SR that is set in them. the V model (V will be after the model of all 3 on the back of the receiver on its tag) which does most of the SR out their to this day.

now on you frequency, that you are entering, it is TP (transponder) NOT DOWN LINK, I use a 4006 here an it a nice unite all manual, but I can receive channels that a non production digi-chipper receiver will get. now on to c-band is a 20mhz split with you're lowest TP (or channel you may call like channel 1) is 1430.0, then the next TP will be 1410.0 an so on with a 20mhz shift, now you do know you're out put frequency of you're lnb is 950 to 1450 mhz, so you are tuning a TP, not down link frequency. an you're highest TP will be the lowest in frequency 970.0.

Option 6-7-7-8 then I like to select manual tune an set it all up from their on out.

Now on the Ku-band you're TP tunning is just the reverse of c-band, you're low TP will be you're low frequency of LNB ossalator TP 1 is 970.0, an TP 2 is 990.0, the same 20mhz shift but just backwards from c-band, also make shure you have a check mark in the Ku window.

now on another note cctvp, this DSR line is a little bugee if you have been trying to do some tuning an keep on seeing "Can Not Find Channel" you may want to to a master reset an then start putting the TP data back in it that receiver, I have to reset mine here from time to time. these receiver where ment to be on 1 channel only for commercial purpose, not to be used as a feed hunter would use it for, but they work very well for it as long as you understand the workings of 1.

good luck ccctvp, hope this helps on the dsr4500, if you have a problem on tunning it in get back will me, an I will pull out some of my tech sheets on that receiver.

You just went way over my head! lol I tried just flipping through the frequencies with no luck. We have three dishes and one dish is on each channel that we want, so I know that I am pointed at something and I can find watch it off of one of our mpeg recievers. We were wanting to use the Motorola DSR-4500X to just lock in on one station to free up one of our mpeg recievers. I think that the 4500x might just do digi-chipper but I could be wrong. I am very new to this. The only thing I have done is setup to dishes with mpeg recievers to pick up the two chennels. Nothing this advanced. Is there anyway to know what tp and frequencey to type in to get either one of these channels? (Thank You For Your Help)

captain · June 4th, 2009

From my checking that is a Digi-chipper receiver.
but here you go for a frequency break down.

C-band------------KU-band frequency
TP-1---1430.0-----970.0
TP-2---1410.0-----990.0
TP-3---1390.0-----1010.0
TP-4---1370.0-----1030.0
TP-5---1350.0-----1050.0
TP-6---1330.0-----1070.0
TP-7---1310.0-----1090.0
TP-8---1290.0-----1110.0
TP-9---1270.0-----1130.0
TP-10--1250.0-----1150.0
TP-11--1230.0-----1170.0
TP-12--1210.0-----1190.0
TP-13--1190.0-----1210.0
TP-14--1170.0-----1230.0
TP-15--1150.0-----1250.0
TP-16--1130.0-----1270.0
TP-17--1110.0-----1290.0
TP-18--1090.0-----1310.0
TP-19--1070.0-----1330.0
TP-20--1050.0-----1350.0
TP-21--1030.0-----1370.0
TP-22--1010.0-----1390.0
TP-23---990.0-----1410.0
TP-24---970.0-----1430.0

this is the way a DSR receiver will look at a TP with the down link frequencey from the down convertor. now re read my 1st post an you should be able to understand their tunning. you're dishes should be set up with a spectrum analyzer, to keep the C/N an S/N levels down, a mpeg receiver will only get you close, an will not be able to tell if the noise is up or not they ONLY give signal an quality of that TP that is selected. an these DSR receivers like clean signal to run an get a lock.

now that receiver is not for a novice, but will try to help, you to tune a station in. lets try to tune in OETA on AMC-5 has a down link of 11792-Horz, so you will select TP-4 an check you frequency in the block it should read 1030, check KU box, turn FEC to Auto, an select SR also to Auto, then click on the tune an hit select button or the ok button an it should tune that channel in, if you're dish is set up right an have good signal. now with these receiver you do not need to be right on the frequency in the window they will tune up 10mhz or down 10mhz, you onlly need to get them close, me alot of times I will actuatly punch in the right freq that I want to tune but I have used 1 of these receiver for almost 7-years now.

here is anothe way to look at a frequency an see what TP needs to be used in a DSR receiver. "down link Freq- osalator frequency=TP frequency" senerao "11800-10750=1050" an that will be TP-5, an do the same for C-band but use 5150 for the oslator frequency. this is about as clear as I can make it on a non tech side.

hope it helps you to under stand the workings of a DSR receiver.