OK the Bottom line for N3, anbd what is going on right now, answers

[almc224]

Here is some light for what is going on for us, the once who know, but quite doesn't understand what is going on and what is being done. And most of all, what is the statues


try this link

[Jacques d'Boeuf]

you left the spelling like that after editing?

[bigevil69]

Originally Posted by Jacques d'Boeuf

you left the spelling like that after editing?

i'm not an english major i just clean out the rule breaking stuff

[mountaineer]

Untill a receiver maker makes a statement, everything else is just crap. Then they can only comment on what they are doing. At this time, their not saying anything. They need a hacker to get into a card so they can get the info they need.

[almc224]

I apologize to the forum administrators and the more then 400+ eager and confused VIP and non VIP who seek information and most of all answers to out current, real situation.

When in less then 24 hours more then 400+ clicks on this post, that tells you something. I think many people are seeking answers. The link was from YT. We will just have to wait for the hackers to do their thing.

[Sgt]

If you feel you have info to share use the copy and paste capabilities of you computer. Breaking the site rules and posting links to other site in a slightly veiled attempt to gain members isn't tolerated.

[bigevil69]

Originally Posted by almc224

I apologize to the forum administrators and the more then 400+ eager and confused VIP and non VIP who seek information and most of all answers to out current, real situation.

When in less then 24 hours more then 400+ clicks on this post, that tells you something. I think many people are seeking answers. The link was from YT. We will just have to wait for the hackers to do their thing.

although the info you posted was good info and true it did come from you tube i'm sure that if you watched it you saw the same thing that i did when i watched it and that was another fta site name popping up on the screen

we do not discourage anyone from visiting other fta sites we just do not advertise those other sites on our site and that is in the rules

we you having been a member here for over a year and a half you should know that by now and since you have been here that long i could have given an infraction but instead i just chose to remove the link

if you have any questions feel free to pm myself or any other mod and ask them if i did anything wrong

[zekester]

For Jacques:
Here is some info to shed light on what is going on for us(who?), the ones who know, but don't quite understand what is going on and what is being done. And most of all what is the status. Try this link:
http://bull****ters.com/

Originally Posted by almc224

Here is some light for what is going on for us, the once who know, but quite doesn't understand what is going on and what is being done. And most of all, what is the statues


try this link

[almc224]

The bottom line here is that there is a lot of money invested in these equipments. People who are paying subscriptions to many web sites and a lot of people are confused and some even being scammed by others. Some of us do not have time to be zipping through this and any other web site for answers and most of all, a solution to this current situation. Who ever comes up with the solution for the N3 dilemma will be the hero and drenched in money. These are not time for slaps on the hand but, if I am wrong, I'm wrong. I have already expressed that. When you are a university professor for 10 years you tend to help with guidance and try to give some orientation with information. My Bad. If the crime deserves to be locked out, OK.

BTW,
Thank youMr. zekester for your link and knowledge and most of all, your guidance. In moment like this one, these people tend to demonstrate what kinds of philosophy are in their head.

[bigevil69]

Originally Posted by almc224

The bottom line here is that their is a lot of money invested in these equipments. People who are paying subscriptions to many web sites and a lot of people are confused and some even being scammed by other. Some of use don't have time to be zipping through this and any other web site for answers and most of all, a solution to this current situation. These are not time for slaps on the hand but, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I've already expressed that. When you are a university professor for 10 years you tend to help with guidance and try to orientate with information. My Bad. If the crime deserves to be locked out, OK.

BTW,
Thank you zekester for your link and knowledge and most of all, your guidance. In moment like these people tend to demonstrate what kind of philosophy are in their head.

try reading the rules
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[tomcat01]

ok the news n3 first it has been know for a year that there was going to be a change to the stream and new cards were sent out bev has been n3 for a year alone (even if you had the time for a visit once a week you would know ).. as for some of the receiver coders or reps if they do not say anything well than we cannot report it... alot of the things going around the net are rumors right now so we can post them but they are all going to the rumors section .. captive works rumors now i even saw a rumour from 2 years ago pop up again about the viewsat etherenet reciever LOL now thats funny ..

i understand your frustration but the way you posted the last post it is like you are talking for everyone .. and if you want a solution cw have been the cheapest in price for the last 2 years and you have had free tv so invest 250 bucks and maybe put the cw in the closet and get anfusion or a sv with the ihub .. remember this is a hobby not a i get free tv all the time .. when cw releases a bin it will be here and then you have 2 recievers one as a back up or run both .. .. i am not trying to give you crap about anything.. but we get the tell us the truth all the time and we are here mods and helper 24/7 to try and give you options and the best is never rely on this for tv get a sub by a new box that is up .. or go and enjoy the summer ..

good luck on whatever you decide to do .. when the info come we will let you know .. when the coders release the bin we will give them too you ..

Tomcat01

[zekester]

Dear professor,
Considering that the amount of programming watched by those who as you say don't have the time to read and get informed, well surpasses any investment made in their equipment/fees paid. Though that may not be the case for those who bought anything but a Kbox, SV, or Nfusion lately. . I know this, because I take the time to read the forums and be informed.

My BS link was to critique your link, rather than the quality of your post. Sorry I didn't make that clear.
But referred to as THESE PEOPLE deserves a bit of my philosophy.

Here's a tad:
In psychology I might have said "I'm sorry"
In Sociology I might have said "Get a Life"
In Chemistry I would have said "What you talking about Willis"
But here, we generally frown on people posting links to other FTA sites. Especially trying to shed light on N3 or anything FTA related.
THERE IS NO BETTER PLACE FOR THIS KIND OF INFO but RIGHT HERE on ABAdss.
So if you can please read, at least the rules, before posting. In fact, as helpful as I am, please use the search button at top of any page here on this site and you will be surprised at the amount of information there is. Kind of like being at a University Library.

Originally Posted by almc224

The bottom line here is that there is a lot of money invested in these equipments. People who are paying subscriptions to many web sites and a lot of people are confused and some even being scammed by others. Some of us do not have time to be zipping through this and any other web site for answers and most of all, a solution to this current situation. Who ever comes up with the solution for the N3 dilemma will be the hero and drenched in money. These are not time for slaps on the hand but, if I am wrong, I'm wrong. I have already expressed that. When you are a university professor for 10 years you tend to help with guidance and try to give some orientation with information. My Bad. If the crime deserves to be locked out, OK.

BTW,
Thank youMr. zekester for your link and knowledge and most of all, your guidance. In moment like this one, these people tend to demonstrate what kinds of philosophy are in their head.

[almc224]

OK, lets get back to the N3 situation. My question would be to you. Will the Nfusion receiver be better then the Captive Works (any one) receiver? Lets expand this one. Which Receiver brand would crack the N3 factor? I'm reading around the net that in the next few days this situation can and will be fix. (sorry, I can't reveal where I read it, forum policy). Ok guys, illuminate us with your knowledge and bring us out of our TV screen darkness.

[almc224]

OK, enough, lets smoke the peace pipe. I just meant this: "Guys, big news, this came directly from the manufacturer's website." Like they say in New York: "Look what fell off the truck"

What is N3 and why does it effect the viewing of programming while using fta receivers. In order to understand this myself I did some research online. While this might not be 100% accurate or very technical based, I think it will serve as a rough outline of what N3 is and what we can expect AT THIS TIME.
To really understand this question we must first learn some terminology and background on what is involved in viewing those programs. Let's start out with some definitions.

CAM or conditional access module is defined by the DVB standard as an interface between a standardised DVB common interface receiver and one or more proprietary smartcards for signal decryption. It is not the smartcard itself. The standard format of this module follows PCMCIA specifications; some receivers bypass the requirement for a separate module by providing embedded CAM functionality in the receiver to communicate with specific proprietary smartcards such as Nagravision, Conax, Irdeto, Viaccess, Betacrypt. In the North American market, most "package receivers" sold by signal providers provide embedded CAM operation; terminology is therefore often misused to misidentify the smartcard as a CAM.


CW control words are also some times called Keys. (see explanation below)

DSA. Digital signature algorithm. DSA is based on a different mathematical problem than that of RSA (discrete logarithm problem) or the difficulty of inverting a mathematical exponentiation operation in a finite field. DSA generates a digest of the message to be signed using a hash function as with RSA. The digest is then processed by a DSA signing operation, which requires private key and generates two 160 bit numbers. This signature accompanies the original message when sent. A recipient system that needs to verify the signature recomputes the digest by applying the hash function to the received message.

DES algorithm was initially published as FIPS publication 46 (USA Federal Information Processing Standards ) in 1977. The algorithm is designed to encipher and decipher 64 bit blocks of data using a 56 bit
key.


DVB. Digital Video Broadcasting is a suite of internationally accepted open standards for digital television. DVB standards are maintained by the DVB Project, an international industry consortium with more than 270 members.

ECM (Electronic counter measures) Electronic counter measures are signals that are sent via satellite to to the IRD to combat satellite tv piracy.

EEPROM (also written E2PROM and pronounced e-e-prom or simply e-squared), which stands for Electrically Erasable Programmable Read-Only Memory, is a type of non-volatile memory used in computers and other electronic devices to store small amounts of data that must be saved when power is removed, e.g., calibration tables or device configuration.

EKS. Extreme Key Sharing. This is basically another name for IKS. (see explanation below)

Emulation . is the imitation of behavior of a computer or other electronic system with the help of another type of computer/system

Encryption is the process of transforming information (referred to as plaintext) using an algorithm (called cipher) to make it unreadable to anyone except those possessing special knowledge, usually referred to as a key. The result of the process is encrypted information

FTA is often used to refer to receivers and equipment which contain no decryption hardware, built with the intention of being able to receive unencrypted free-to-air broadcasts; more properly FTA refers to the unencrypted broadcasts themselves.

Hash functions. A one time function of a data value which is easy to compute but difficult to reverse. The most credible hash function is the U.S. government’s secure hash algorithm (SHA-1). SHA-1 generates a 160 bit output,(with DSA) which gives it a substantial advantage over algorithms with a 128 bit output.

IDEA is a block cipher which uses a 128-bit length key to encrypt successive 64-bit blocks of plaintext. The procedure is quite complicated using subkeys generated from the key to carry out a series of modular arithmetic and XOR operations on segments of the 64-bit plaintext block. The encryption scheme uses a total of fifty-two 16-bit subkeys

IKS. Internet Key Sharing is using a web server to share CW's from a cam or stand alone 3rd party bin file to share the Cw's of encrypted tv programs.

IRD is an integrated receiver-decoder, in other words a complete digital satellite TV or radio receiver; "decoder" in this context refers not to decryption but to the decompression and conversion of MPEG video into displayable format.

KEYS. Keys are a seemingly random string of bits, with the number of bits (key length) depending on the particular cryptosystem. There are private (secret) keys and public keys.

MAP Modular Arithmetic Processor and enhanced DES accelerator are designed to speed up cryptographic calculations using Public Key Algorithms and Secret Key Algorithms.

MPEG-2 (Motion Picture Experts Group technical standard 2) This is a widely used standard for digital encoding of motion pictures. It typically achieves a 50 to 1 compression of data. It achieves this mainly by not retransmitting areas of the screen that have not changed since the previous frame.

RSA. Rivest, Shamir, Adleman. A public key based digital signature scheme. Encryption and decryption has to be applied to the entire message contents and the volume of data is at least double the original message size. To improve the scheme a hash function is introduced into the processing.

Smart card. A tiny processor and storage system realized in a microcircuit embedded in a plastic card.

There are some brief definitions to help us understand things a little better as we get into what N3 is. N3 stands for Nagravision3. This is a form of encryption produced by a company called the Kudelski Group. This is a company owned and operated by Andre Kudelski, based in Cheseaux, Switzerland. The Kudelski Group specialize in security and access control solutions for digital television for many companies around the world. The Kudelski Group forms partnership with companies Like Echostar to provide security and encryption services for Echostar's pay per view programming service they offer. The Kudelski group and Echostar formed a company to offer this support by the name of Nagrastar. Nagrastar is responsible for the security of the encoded broadcasts of the American satellite tv provider Echostar and the Canadian satellite tv provider Bell Expressvu. Nagravision is the type of encryption and Nagrastar manage how this encryption is used. Nagrastar does this by the use of smart cards or built in Cams in some of the newer models of IRD. They update these Cams by sending a ECM to update the EEPROM in the smart card or cam installed in the IRDs. This ensures only authorized or paying customers are the only ones who can view their encrypted programming. To explain in simple/basic terms, what this means is Nagrastar will encrypt the signal at their uplink center using the present form of nagravision encryption. Echostar uses an uplink center which is based in Cheyenne , WY, USA to compress their signal into the Mpeg2 and Mpeg4 format and add the encryption . Bell Expressvu's uplink center is located in North York which is in the Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
When Direct tv secured their signal with the introduction of the P4 card, satellite tv hackers moved on to the weaker encryption used by Echostar and Bell Expressvu. At that time it was Nagravision1 encryption being used to secure the signal broadcast from the satellites. Hackers got help in decrypting the N1 cards by Europeans who already were heavy into researching weaknesses in the N1 cards. Also at this same time someone figured out that you could use an FTA receiver to decrypt the programming by loading 3rd party software onto the fta receiver to emulate the smart cards used in the pay for view providers IRD's. After numerous ECM's sent out by Nagrastar, failed to stop hackers from getting access to the programming, it was concluded that a new card would be needed to fully secure the stream. So in the spring of 2005 nagrastar started to change to the Nagravision2 encryption. However once again with help from overseas hackers, N2 was defended almost as soon as the signal was secured. After several more attempts with ECM's, one of which was quite successful for awhile (MAP57) it was concluded that another card swap was necessary in order to once again secure the signal.
This brings us to this point in time. I'm sure many of you are wondering why it is so hard to crack N3 when N1 and N2 seemed quite easy to crack. Well the answer is quite simple. The Nagravision people have had a few years experience dealing with hackers and in fact have hired some of the former hackers to help them secure their signal from any future breaks in the encryption. They have done this by building better firewalls and increasing the complexity of the algorithms used to encrypt the signal broadcast by the pay per view providers. They do this by using a combination of RSA, IDEA, DSA, DES, algorithms. This makes it next to impossible to guess what the CW's are because the possible output combination of these Algorithms equal more then all the molecules in the universe. So hackers must get inside the card to see what exact is going on and how the card/cam is using the MAPs to process the CW's. Now this is not easy to do. They do it by a complex method of using acids to peel the layers off the chip and sending electrical currents to the chip to see how it reacts. This is a science mastered by very few hackers/card crackers in the world. N3 has been in use in Europe for at least a year now and no one has a successful hack for a free standing hack of the N3 encryption. Remember Europeans are the ones who helped crack N1 and N2.

Now what does this mean for people using FTA receivers at this time. Well it is obvious to anyone who was using a FTA receiver to view the programming of Bell Expressvu, it means a black screen. OH no, you cry, what will I do. Well you have several opinions. You could start paying the providers to watch tv. It's expensive, has allot of crappy stations but it never goes down. Next you could do true FTA. After all you already have a FTA receiver and cables run. You would only need to switch to a larger dish and linear lnb. This is minimum cost and you get quite a few channels such as fox, abc, cbs, etc. However what you don't get is, HBO, PPV or porn. Let's face it, this is what most FTA receiver or card hackers want to view. So what does that leave you with? Well I'm afraid it's Card sharing, IKS or EKS. The Nfusion was the first FTA to be successful on a large scale in North America. However even these will not give you wide open tv. You can only view what you buy as a package for the providers. A basic explanation of how IKS or at least how I think works (because I'm not a hacker but a student/studier of satellite tv), is like this. A group buys a sub or combination of subs and sends all the CW's for ALL the channels to a central server where the CW's are cache until a request comes in to the server requesting the information for a certain channel. A fta receiver is connected to the internet, 24/7. As you choose a channel to watch on your tv, the receiver sends an encrypted packet to the central server with the receiver's ID and CW request for that channel. The server reads this packet of data and sends back the CW's needed to view that programming.

Cool you say. Well this method has it's pit falls as well. For example, decrypting the encrypted programming of the pay per view providers is considered illegal in North America. This could lead to a fine from a civil lawsuit by the providers or even a criminal charges by the legal authorizes in your area. If a person was to use this method they should take steps to hide their true identity because despite what these salesmen will tell you, your IP can be traced. If your receiver makes contact enough to process the data packet requested by the receiver then there is a trail to your house. No country is safe from a server seizure either. Even Hong Kong as turned over servers to Echostar when they got sued to get possession of those servers hosting hacking files by Echostar. How do you stop from getting caught?? Well some use a proxy. However not all proxies are created equal. Some proxies are transparent and can be seen right through. IKS has a hard time process CW's using good proxies because of the time delay in the request data packet. My PERSONAL opinion is it's not worth the risk. However now that you have the facts you can make up your own mind as to what you want to do as N3 nears completion and all channels go black.

I'm hoping many of you try TRUE fta and become hobbyist at this fta stuff. I think you will find it is educational and fun to boot.

[bigevil69]

rumored that cw is working on a dongle work around
cnx has dongle out but no software
sv has ihub and software and proven to be working
nfusion has been workin through iks for years
kbox has khub and software and proven to be working
pansat nothing yet
viewsat nothing yet
coolsat nothing yet and don't hold your breathe
sonysat has a dongle out but no software
other off brands have no idea about

[tomcat01]

i have read that on seveal sites too i also talk to coders about what they think but what even what they think and what they can do are different things .. as for the 2 recievers that you asked about they are 2 different recievers one has been on a cardless fix and the other only runs iks from day one now i know that people are sayiong that the cw are going to be running iks but no one yet has got it to work but on the cw 3000 and the 4000cw and they are basicall linux computers and to run a server on them is easy to do or work as a client to a server . but i do not doubt that cw will find something they have lasted in the game for a good while now ..

I have aslo heard that several fta reciever are also using a cardless fix but there is problems with freezing and i have also heard that the fi will be out very soon and also heard .. well i have hear this n1 days and i heard it map57 days and i am i hearing it again so you can keep asking but the truth is that you as all of us will have to wait and see what the coders and there bosses want to do they change there mind all the time ..

[tomcat01]

About Nagra 3

Q. What is Nagra 3?

A. Nagra 3, also referred to as N3 & Nag3 is the newest encryption system being implemented on DN & B3V.

Q. Why is Nagra 3 causing us problems?

A. Because all FTA use on DN & B3V uses an older system, Nagra 2. The coders know Nagra 2 like the back of their hand. Nagra 3 is new and needs to be mastered & broken. DN & B3V are switching things over to Nagra 3.

Q. What is the cardswap?

A. The cardswap is the effort by B3V & DN to switch out the access cards used by subscriber boxes. The cards they are replacing are nagra 2 cards and are being replaced with new Nagra3 cards, also referred to as the ROM240 (B3V), ROM241 (DN). The new DN cards are sometimes referred to as "G3" cards since G3 is on the front of them.

Q. FTA doesn't use cards, why is this affecting us?

A. Because the software used in your FTA box is likely modeled on the older card that uses Nagra 2. The coders have yet to break and understand how the new card using Nagra 3 works. Therefore they cannot write software (the BIN file) to work with Nagra 3 yet.

Q. How long until everything goes Nagra 3?

A. Exact dates are unknown. B3V completed its cardswap awhile back and is testing N3 only channels. Expect it to go completely dark aound the 1st of November if not before. DN has recently started its cardswap and will take significantly longer to complete. DN HD channels could go dark as soon as November sometime as indications are that they are swapping HD customers with N3 cards first.

Q. Will Nagra 3 be hacked?

A. Nothing can be promised but all past and current indicators are that yes, a hack of some sort will eventually surface. Do not expect to see or hear of it until the DN cardswap is complete. It also may or may not require you to use a Nagra 3 card in your FTA. This early on in the game it is educated guesses and speculation.

Q. Some of my B3V channels are missing, or I just have audio. What is wrong?

A. Odds are that those channels are using Nagra 3. Audio on many channels is not encrypted or is still using Nagra 2, that would be why you may have sound on HD channels but no picture. At this point there is nothing that can be done to get it back

Q. will i have to buy another receiver?

No you will not - just wait till after N3 and all info needed will be Posted

How does it work

I have seen a bunch of talk about Nagra 3 being implemented and tested in the data stream so I figured I would explain a bit about how encryption works so that folks understand a bit more about why these rumors are false and why they shouldn’t worry about the release of Nagra 3 so much…..

Just so you know, this is a simplified version… professional encryption is a huge deal with several formulas, algorithms etc….. but just as encryption is huge so is DECRYPTION…… in other words, for every person making encryption there is 5 working to decrypt it…. All of them working for our stb manufacturers….. Here is a basic idea of how encryption works :

All encryption is based on a mathematical formula…. For example… you start off with a code to crack and the idea is that you want to find out how many apples Johnny has in his bucket….. here is how the systems would work…

NAGRA 1….. this works on basic addition (not really.. this is the part where I am makin’ it simpler)…. You start off with someone leaking that there was originally 3 apples in Johnny’s bucket…. The only mathematical process Nagra 1 knows is addition….. so… the provider sends down the number 5 in the data stream… through basic addition your formula tells you to add 5 apples to the original 3… you get eight and boom….. you know the answer…. A simple calculation like this would be done millions and millions of times by your receiver in seconds….. this produces your tv pic using binary language…. When the provider uses addition to change the amount of apples originally in the basket you need a new bin file to help your receiver decrypt the signal….

NAGRA 2…… Now you introduce subtraction into the mix… now the provider can change the number of apples originally in the basket both ways… add more or take some away….. the equation is twice as complicated and your receiver has to work double time…… every once in a while the equation gives you a previous number used because due to subtraction you can go back to a previous number…. This is what happens that causes a previous bin file to work…..

NAGRA 3… Ok… let’s say this bad boy can do multiplication….. now your equations are 3 times as difficult… it is harder for coders to find the formula…. Your number of original apples can now go from 100000 to 2 in a flash of a second due to multiplication…… your receiver is working triple time…… it takes the coders longer to learn how many apples are in the basket……

Bottom line… the bad news is that you may not have any apples in your basket for a while since the coders will need time to figure this out……. The good news is that they are geniuses and a whole lot of rich folks will be losing a pile of money until they get some apples back in your basket……LOL….. no worries….. we will get some downtime but we will be back up and running….

[almc224]

Roger that.