Fixes for other encrypted channels that have nothing to do with B3V, Charlie, or Dave - ABA DSS

Hueffenhardt · August 30th, 2009

I have been reading a lot since I joined ABA DSS. I don't have any system yet, so this question is about whether there is any system anywhere that can do the following. I am looking for a tutorial on fixes for channels that are not B3V and Charlie, etc.

For example, AMC 3, has stations like WNET-TV and CBC-Toronto which are both encrypted with PowerVu, and MTV Networks which is Digicipher II. Is there a stand alone fix for these encryption languages? What about HD channels that are encrypted with "director" like Bravo East on Galaxy 14?

Is a PowerVu fix on C good for PowerVu on Ku as well? Are there fixes for 4DTV and DSR410 program packages? Does nFusion, SonicView, etc, already have BIN files for these?

Basically, I understand in principle about how there were fixes for Nagavision 2 for B3V and Charlie, and how there are currently two different workarounds using a continuous internet connection for Nagavision 3 for B3V and Charlie. And I understand how people aren't attempting a fix for Dave as his card kind of takes over the STB's circuitry. But, please point me to info on ways to watch other encrypted channels that are not part of those networks.

Kinetic · August 30th, 2009

If you install a dish with a motor you can blindscan the sky. Flip channels and "test". 123 & 97 are good targets. What you see is what you get. There is one brand that receives Spanish channels, but the only encrypted channels you can view are with an Nfusion or Kbox.

**VGiddy** · August 30th, 2009

Can you tell me what are the channel numbers of these encrypted channels on AMC4, 97, and 123. I have them working and I can verify if they are visible.

**Landscapeman** · August 30th, 2009

Digicipher II is Motorolas encryption ans the same as sky choice. The only thing that I have heard that it is really solid encryption. There may be others out there getting this but I have yet to hear it.

**bill of oz** · August 30th, 2009

im afraid you are asking the impossible.....

first of all those channels you mentioned are c-band so you would need about a 10-12 foot dish to pull those in anywhere in north america......

secondly.....there are no fta receivers capable of getting any c-band encrypted channels.....

**jamal59** · August 30th, 2009

Digicipher II and powervu are c-band, you will need a big dish to get c band. some channels are clear some are not. I have a motorola 920, have to pay for channels. It is limited on that you cant scan for channels like my Pansat 3500. But the channel choices are better since I can purchase just the channel I want. Powervu is the feed to the stations, cant get them on my motorola but pick them up with the pansat. check the sat charts for available channels. can find wild feeds and other channels with the pansat. You will still need a way to move your dish to get all the available sat.
There is not as big demand for C-band as for the other channels. I read that this is why there is no fix for it, not enough money in it.
Good Luck

**bill of oz** · August 30th, 2009

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Originally Posted by jamal59

Digicipher II and powervu are c-band, you will need a big dish to get c band. some channels are clear some are not. I have a motorola 920, have to pay for channels. It is limited on that you cant scan for channels like my Pansat 3500. But the channel choices are better since I can purchase just the channel I want. Powervu is the feed to the stations, cant get them on my motorola but pick them up with the pansat. check the sat charts for available channels. can find wild feeds and other channels with the pansat. You will still need a way to move your dish to get all the available sat.
There is not as big demand for C-band as for the other channels. I read that this is why there is no fix for it, not enough money in it.
Good Luck

good info....and the pansat 3500 in my opinion is the best all around fta receiver ever made.....

jarvisjn · August 30th, 2009

Motorola Digicypher II has been around for years, I have a 4dtv system (big dish). If anyone is hacking it, they are very smart and keep it to themselves

Comcast is really the one using most of that technology and that is how 4dtv (motorola box) users get to go along for the ride, as there are not many subscribers anymore and depend on that exact encryption system to be used. The whole thing is old and becoming obsolete. They never planned on those boxes lasting over 15 years! There is a newer version that works with something called megapipe, that I know very little about.

Hueffenhardt · August 30th, 2009

Kinetic: Thank you for your reply. I do intend on setting up a motorized system so that I can get as many true FTA channels on as many birds as possible.

VGiddy: Thank you for your offer. Just so you know I kind of listed those channels at random as examples of the type of channels I was wondering whether there were fixes for their encryption. It is not like I was really hoping to get those specific channels. But, if you don't mind, let's see if you are able to pick up those channels with your set up. If you can, then you might be able to pick up other channels that are like these as well, and I might want to duplicate your system.

Now the channels I gave in my example were on AMC 3 and Galaxy 14, but you asked about AMC 4, 97, and 123, so let me see if I can some some different channels of the type I am asking about on those birds. There is on AMC 4, History International, 12060 H tp 18, PowerVu, SID-VPID 8, SR-FEC 1860, Beam - North and Central America Ku band. There is also on AMC 4, KASA-TV (Fox - Albuquerque), 3907 H tp 10, the type of system encryption is not listed but it is supposedly an encrypted digital signal, SID-VPID 1, SR-FEC 2, Beam - C band. Then there is on AMC 4, Home2US, 12120 V tp 21, DVB is all that is listed under the encrypted column but it is supposedly not in the clear, SR-FEC 30000-3/4, Beam North and Central America Ku band.

(Note: Perhaps it might help the rest of you in replying to my original post if I took you through the steps of what I am doing. On Lyngsat, there is a list of a number of birds that are in the sky above America. If one clicks on one of those birds, one gets a list of all the channels that are on that bird. The channels are color-coded into 8 different catagories: analog/clear; analog/encrypted; digital clear; digital encrypted; HD clear; HD encrypted; internet; and feeds. Now, I know that only certain receivers can receive HD signals, and certain receivers receive digital, and certain receive analog. I also know that one needs a big dish and an LNB capable of receiving C channels to get C channels. Ku channels can be seen on big or small dishes as long as the signal strength and quality are sufficient, and one needs an LNB capable of receiving Ku signals (vertical, horizontal, and circular) to watch Ku channels. And one needs a motor to move the dish to see different birds.

The point of this thread was there are a multitude of encrypted channels both in C and Ku that have nothing to do with BEV, Charlie, and Dave, and it is those channels that I was wondering how to get, and I think I got at least a partial answer from some of the later posters, and I continue to welcome more info.)

Landscapeman: Thanks for the info. So, what I understand from you is if something is encrypted in Digicipher II, you don't know of any fixes.

Bill of Oz: Thank you for your reply.

Jamal59: A very helpful reply. I will look more into the PanSat 3500. Now, the Motorola 920 is for 4DTV, right? Do you think 4DTV will be around for a while?

Hueffenhardt · August 30th, 2009

jarvisjn: Thank you so much for your post. I'll try to look into that megapipe thing you mentioned.

DishCharlie · August 30th, 2009

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Originally Posted by jarvisjn

Motorola Digicypher II has been around for years, I have a 4dtv system (big dish). If anyone is hacking it, they are very smart and keep it to themselves

Comcast is really the one using most of that technology and that is how 4dtv (motorola box) users get to go along for the ride, as there are not many subscribers anymore and depend on that exact encryption system to be used. The whole thing is old and becoming obsolete. They never planned on those boxes lasting over 15 years! There is a newer version that works with something called megapipe, that I know very little about.

Are you saying a Mot 4DTV IRD can be hooked up to Comcast cable and get clear channels? A DCII activation through NPS or SPS ends up in the cable stream? How does the IRD tune cable freqs? I own a DSR922.

DishCharlie · August 30th, 2009

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Originally Posted by jamal59

Digicipher II and powervu are c-band, you will need a big dish to get c band. some channels are clear some are not. I have a motorola 920, have to pay for channels. It is limited on that you cant scan for channels like my Pansat 3500. But the channel choices are better since I can purchase just the channel I want. Powervu is the feed to the stations, cant get them on my motorola but pick them up with the pansat. check the sat charts for available channels. can find wild feeds and other channels with the pansat. You will still need a way to move your dish to get all the available sat.
There is not as big demand for C-band as for the other channels. I read that this is why there is no fix for it, not enough money in it.
Good Luck

Just to clarify: PowerVu has not been compromised and no FTA IRD, even Pansat3500, is capable of decrypting it. If anyone claims to have broken it, men in black vehicles will be responding as the military uses it. Even the European and ex-Soviet bloc sites do not post keys for it.

Hueffenhardt · August 31st, 2009

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Originally Posted by DishCharlie

Just to clarify: PowerVu has not been compromised and no FTA IRD, even Pansat3500, is capable of decrypting it. If anyone claims to have broken it, men in black vehicles will be responding as the military uses it. Even the European and ex-Soviet bloc sites do not post keys for it.

Not to doubt you; I'm just wondering: Why would the military use the same encryption as regular tv guys? If I were the military, I'd be worried that some tv engineer who is familiar with PowerVu because he uses at work it to encrypt the tv channels he works on would sell the secrets of PowerVu to some low life overseas.

**Victor Hugo** · August 31st, 2009

Good for you .