Re: Is IKS Safe?

[Surrealone]

Originally Posted by Sync45

sorry but I don't agree with that at all since I have found address using ip numbers before in a few mins, but it sounds nice

Finding an address is easy using it to get a subpoena well thats another story

[johnnybluedawg]

till someone gets busted,, what they can do to ur
IP or get from it ,,, no one can answer that ,, its all speculation''

nfusion put ethernet port on my box so i could use the IPPVR ,,
and thats what i use it for ,,

[Surrealone]

Originally Posted by johnnybluedawg

till someone gets busted,, what they can do to ur
IP or get from it ,,, no one can answer that ,, its all speculation''

nfusion put ethernet port on my box so i could use the IPPVR ,,
and thats what i use it for ,,

Thats right IPPVR all the way baby....

[Surrealone]

And that brings me to a new point FYI: win 7 plays TS files woo hoo... For testing try ippvr to nas on your home network and do playback on pc it works it really does

[Sync45]

Originally Posted by Surrealone

Finding an address is easy using it to get a subpoena well thats another story

** If you had any idea what they need to do to find your info from your IP and get your home address you would not be worried. Yes to find your isp from your ip is easy but they just cant call your isp and say hi I need joe's home address that is a violation of your privacy rights. They need to get a subpoena from a judge to give to isp first and they can only do one at a time not like they can do a group. IKS is a small fish in a very very big pond.**
Well it sounds to me like your saying looking for a physical address from an ip is next to impossible which isn't true at all. Although I do agree in theory of what your referring to. As for subpoena's I have always been on the paying end of the law not the practicing end. I would assume though that with substantial evidence it would be like getting a subpoena for anything else

[bill of oz]

Originally Posted by Surrealone

please IKS is not criminal it's a civil matter. How much time do you give this old story Bill you always knocking IKS. I understand you are trying to help the OP please do not tell people the sky is falling just cuz it's raining
oh and BTW how much time do your think they give all the IKS bad guys.

i am not knocking anything.....i am not anti-anything.....i am not giving my personal opinion here, i am simply stating FACTS.....

if you break the law you run the risk of being caught, end of story.....

i dont care what precautions you take, there is always a risk.....if you are fine with taking that risk then so be it.....i couldnt care less either way.....

for me personally the risk is not worth it, but that doesnt mean i try to talk others out of it.....everybody is free to make their own decisions, i am merely trying to educate people BEFORE they make their decision.....

if you look back through my previous posts over the last few months you will find i have helped out many people trying to setup thier IKS connections with both the SV IHub and the CNX dongle......if i was "anti-IKS" i would not be doing that.....

i tell the truth, straight out and in simple terms.....and im not sure why that bothers you so much.....but i really wont waste my time thinking about it either.....

[Surrealone]

I think you missed this post

Originally Posted by Surrealone

Finding an address is easy using it to get a subpoena well thats another story

[emsudos]

Originally Posted by Surrealone

I think you missed this post
Finding an address is easy using it to get a subpoena well thats another story

Here's something you'll find particularly interesting....I know I did:

Question: Don't judges review subpoenas before they are sent to ISPs?

Answer:

No. The issuing of civil subpoenas is not monitored by the court handling the case. Under the normal rules of discovery in civil lawsuits, parties to a suit can simply send a subpoena to anyone they believe has information that could be useful. That information doesn't even have to be relevant to the lawsuit, as long as it could possibly lead to the discovery of relevant information. The only way that a court will evaluate an identity-seeking subpena is if either the ISP or the target of the subpoena files a motion asking the judge to block the subpoena. Unfortunately, in practice that rarely happens. That is because these subpoenas usually have a short, roughly 7-day deadline, and because many people never even find out that their Internet data has been subpoenaed.

Source: hxxp://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca-sub/faq.cgi

Nice little write up about how the issuing of subpoenas for DMCA notices is being abused.....

Originally Posted by johnnybluedawg

nfusion put ethernet port on my box so i could use the IPPVR ,, and thats what i use it for ,,

So in using your IPPVR to record to your computer....you somehow have managed to get logged onto a server overseas....where you stayed parked for hours on end...downloading control words? Now if you truly use it for that....good but we're talking about what if they were to seize a server with evidence of your i.p connecting to it. If push comes to shove you can't play ignorant and say you were just using the IPPVR to record on your home pc....thats not gonna fly in a court of law. We all know that.

[johnnybluedawg]

well till it happens,, im not gonna worry about it,,and cry wolf


u dont like IKS thats fine with me ,, dont use it ,,,
people playing armchair lawyers makes no sense and is a waste of time
u dont know what will happen,,and how it will happen,,
so y u put up useless facts to a totally different situation ?

[Surrealone]

Originally Posted by emsudos

Here's something you'll find particularly interesting....I know I did:

Question: Don't judges review subpoenas before they are sent to ISPs?

Answer:

Source: hxxp://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca-sub/faq.cgi

Nice little write up about how the issuing of subpoenas for DMCA notices is being abused.....



So in using your IPPVR to record to your computer....you somehow have managed to get logged onto a server overseas....where you stayed parked for hours on end...downloading control words? Now if you truly use it for that....good but we're talking about what if they were to seize a server with evidence of your i.p connecting to it. If push comes to shove you can't play ignorant and say you were just using the IPPVR to record on your home pc....thats not gonna fly in a court of law. We all know that.

Good info Thanks and yes I play ignorent and say nothing... Bottom line talk to my lawyer... But that is all way to much for a little free tv. Just plug in and enjoy. If you get cought unplug and pay up. No jail time for end users. If you are a little worried then dont do it. This is just a hobby for fun.

[Surrealone]

Originally Posted by bill of oz

i am not knocking anything.....i am not anti-anything.....i am not giving my personal opinion here, i am simply stating FACTS.....

if you break the law you run the risk of being caught, end of story.....

i dont care what precautions you take, there is always a risk.....if you are fine with taking that risk then so be it.....i couldnt care less either way.....

for me personally the risk is not worth it, but that doesnt mean i try to talk others out of it.....everybody is free to make their own decisions, i am merely trying to educate people BEFORE they make their decision.....

if you look back through my previous posts over the last few months you will find i have helped out many people trying to setup thier IKS connections with both the SV IHub and the CNX dongle......if i was "anti-IKS" i would not be doing that.....

i tell the truth, straight out and in simple terms.....and im not sure why that bothers you so much.....but i really wont waste my time thinking about it either.....

Thanks Bill the truth will set me free. And it does not bother me as you say I"m just saying you tend to over do it. It's a hobby relax and enjoy it.
your heart rate is going up calm down.

[davidki]

Answer #2... I go to allot of sites on the internet all day long.. if I like one I stay there for a while.. that's what the internet is there for and I can't control those sites on the internet.. if I could I'd stop all the virus's and trojans that go on every minute of the day.. why don't you go chase them. . they are affecting allot more than dealing with me over some Internet site I may have landed on! in other words.. Pound Sand! I watch TV through my cable company or over the air!

[johnnybluedawg]

right on ,,, this is a hobby,, enjoy it ,,
if it cozes you nightmares,, then dont use it ,,
buy a sub or go tru FTA ,, for now there is only
1 solution ,, if its not for you ,, then by all means
dont use it ,,

[emsudos]

Originally Posted by johnnybluedawg

well till it happens,, im not gonna worry about it,,and cry wolf


u dont like IKS thats fine with me ,, dont use it ,,,
people playing armchair lawyers makes no sense and is a waste of time
u dont know what will happen,,and how it will happen,,
so y u put up useless facts to a totally different situation ?

Well I thought we were going to keep this civil...but since you wanna go there then I will. First off I never said I didn't like IKS....the o.p asked "is it safe"...plain and simple. You have your "I'll play ignorant mentality" and I have FACTS that were posted about DMCA subpoenas and how easily they are granted access to your PERSONAL information. Have you not read ANY of the legal doc's floating around? I want you to count how many times in those court docs they cite the DMCA....I bet its at least 2 dozen in any one document. Surrealone bothered to read the source I quoted....why didn't you? Ohhhh I know because you know it all....keep thinking that smart guy. I would love to sit in your lawyers office when you say "But I only used the IPPVR function".

P.S People playing armchair client is useless too. And a client is what you'll be if you don't pay attention to whats possible.

[johnnybluedawg]

has it been used to arrest someone for using IKS yet ???
they may not even go that route to bust you,,,
thay may have otherways of busting you,,
ur little legal post dont mean that it will
happen to IKS users ,,, so y post it ?
oh i c,,, too look important ,,
ahhh well good for you !

u do what u want to do ,, and i will do what i want to do

there is also the instant weather update ,, and the stock market updates ,,
for all i know,,thats y my box gets information ,, prove me wrong

some person using an nfusionHD for true FTA ,,could have his box plugged into internet
and use it for the ippvr and weather updates and stock market updates ,,,
and he is not breaking any laws

[emsudos]

Originally Posted by johnnybluedawg

u do what u want to do ,, and i will do what i want to do ,
u think you know it all ,, thats fine,, im saying u dont

How are any of my postings inferring that "I know it all"?? Point me to something that I said in this thread that is opinion and could not possibly happen...now read close there I said "COULD NOT POSSIBLY" happen....nothing I stated in this thread is made up. Its all gleaned from personal experience and common knowledge.

I think you have a problem facing facts. Hell I'm considering running IKS myself but I would only do it ONE way and that way has already been expressed. I wouldn't run it leaving my i.p out in the open....or trying to hide behind a proxy thats worthless for anonymity.

You seem to have kind of a hostile attitude and it would serve you well to read a little more instead of going on the defensive about how you're using your stb.....

So far you've insulted my intelligence not once....but twice. You are right on one thing though....I don't know it all.....but I damñ sure know enough to stay out of trouble.....you on the other hand I'm not so certain.

[emsudos]

Damñ you do have an attitude....do you even know how the IPPVR works? It uses your computer i.p to record onto your computer....it doesn't let you connect to an overseas server in a third world country. If you're going to use that as a defense I would suggest you learn how it works first.

P.S I'm already important I don't have to pretend I'm important to people like you.

[Surrealone]

And on the note im out of this thread have a great day and long live IKS or SUNS servers and nufusion rock on brother.

BTW: I might be a little bias towards nfusion

[emsudos]

Have a good one surrealone...at least you can debate a topic without going to the basement and resorting to insulting other posters. Of course I believe that when one resorts to insults to get their point across its because they have no point and they're at a loss of words.....

Its kind of funny to watch how heated some of these people get over t.v....thats right its JUST t.v folks....nothing more.

[johnnybluedawg]

ok buddy,,, i just know what i know ,, and im sure you feel the same about urself,,
im just using facts ,, nothing more