Re: Is IKS Safe? - ABA DSS

radoliv · 3 Weeks Ago

Hello:
I read on some sites that a IKS connection could be traced?If so, How can this be fixed?Thanks.

**creativegenius** · 3 Weeks Ago

There are generally two schools of thought on this, let the debate begin.

Creative Genius

emsudos · 3 Weeks Ago

I'll start it off and say in my mind the only safe IKS connection is one running through a "hacked" cable modem. Neighbors or public wi-fi can be traced back to you with "MoocherHunter". Proxies are often unreliable and slow and in most instances are not truly "anonymous" (not to mention they can be traced). VPN's and SSH are somewhat more reliable then the proxies but whether you can be traced with them I do not know 100%.

OK thats my opinion....NEXT!!!!!!!! lmao

**Surrealone** · 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by emsudos

I'll start it off and say in my mind the only safe IKS connection is one running through a "hacked" cable modem. Neighbors or public wi-fi can be traced back to you with "MoocherHunter". Proxies are often unreliable and slow and in most instances are not truly "anonymous" (not to mention they can be traced). VPN's and SSH are somewhat more reliable then the proxies but whether you can be traced with them I do not know 100%.

OK thats my opinion....NEXT!!!!!!!! lmao

Ok thats one way... Or like me I have had IKS for 3 years now no problem. Just plug it in and good. If IKS get shut down to many doors to far apart to knock on. And the more doors the better

And if DN or anybody wants to knock on your door they need to find you. If you had any idea what they need to do to find your info from your IP and get your home address you would not be worried. Yes to find your isp from your ip is easy but they just cant call your isp and say hi I need joe's home address that is a violation of your privacy rights. They need to get a subpoena from a judge to give to isp first and they can only do one at a time not like they can do a group. IKS is a small fish in a very very big pond.

NEXT>>>>>>>>

**Surrealone** · 3 Weeks Ago

Oh yes and you can only use hacked modems if you use?????? isp great way to go if you have the same ISP

emsudos · 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Surrealone

And if DN or anybody wants to knock on your door they need to find you. If you had any idea what they need to do to find your info from your IP and get your home address you would not be worried. Yes to find your isp from your ip is easy but they just cant call your isp and say hi I need joe's home address that is a violation of your privacy rights. They need to get a subpoena from a judge to give to isp first and they can only do one at a time not like they can do a group. IKS is a small fish in a very very big pond.

NEXT>>>>>>>>

Well I'd have to say I disagree on that one.....reason being that running IKS is in itself a violation of the DMCA therefore you relinquish your rights to "privacy". Its also been ruled in Canada that an i.p address is not considered a private matter like a home address. You forget that your isp owns the i.p...you have no rights to it. You're also operating on "their" network and like it or not...they make the rules and can give out your information as they see fit. My isp even has a clause that if I do NOT secure my router and someone leeches that signal and does something against the t.o.s of my isp that I can be held liable. I would bet that other isp's have a similar clause. Whether they would investigate every instance (meaning every user logged on to the server) remains to be seen.

NEXT!!!!!!!!!!

**bill of oz** · 3 Weeks Ago

there is no safe way to steal tv.....

one method is not safer than another.....

there is no safe way to break the law.....

speeders buy radar detectors and still get tickets.....

all these ways of trying to hide your IP address are a waste......if they want to catch you THEY WILL!!

you might think you are smarter than law enforcement but i guarantee you that your not.....prisons all over the world are full of "smart people".....lol

**Surrealone** · 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by emsudos

Well I'd have to say I disagree on that one.....reason being that running IKS is in itself a violation of the DMCA therefore you relinquish your rights to "privacy". Its also been ruled in Canada that an i.p address is not considered a private matter like a home address. You forget that your isp owns the i.p...you have no rights to it. You're also operating on "their" network and like it or not...they make the rules and can give out your information as they see fit. My isp even has a clause that if I do NOT secure my router and someone leeches that signal and does something against the t.o.s of my isp that I can be held liable. I would bet that other isp's have a similar clause. Whether they would investigate every instance (meaning every user logged on to the server) remains to be seen.

NEXT!!!!!!!!!!

Ok this will be my last post cuz we can go on forever. But what about your hacked modem is that violation in a way bigger form stealing bandwidth...... I will say I like the hacked modem idea but you will get cought with that before you get busted for IKS. And I can't speak for canada's law's. But in the USA right to privacy always comes first.
I say we agree to disagree. Thank you

**Surrealone** · 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by bill of oz

there is no safe way to steal tv.....

one method is not safer than another.....

there is no safe way to break the law.....

speeders buy radar detectors and still get tickets.....

all these ways of trying to hide your IP address are a waste......if they want to catch you THEY WILL!!

you might think you are smarter than law enforcement but i guarantee you that your not.....prisons all over the world are full of "smart people".....lol

please IKS is not criminal it's a civil matter. How much time do you give this old story Bill you always knocking IKS. I understand you are trying to help the OP please do not tell people the sky is falling just cuz it's raining
oh and BTW how much time do your think they give all the IKS bad guys.

emsudos · 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Surrealone

Ok this will be my last post cuz we can go on forever. But what about your hacked modem is that violation in a way bigger form stealing bandwidth...... I will say I like the hacked modem idea but you will get cought with that before you get busted for IKS. And I can't speak for canada's law's. But in the USA right to privacy always comes first.
I say we agree to disagree. Thank you

Your last post? Don't throw in the towel already....we're keeping it civil...lol. I love a "heated" debate every now and then.....

Now as far as the modem ohhh YEAH thats a federal rap IF you're caught running one.....Now here's the kicker though in order to catch you from the server end they would need your i.p. right? They will get an i.p even with a hacked cable modem...but when they notify the isp that i.p will not be linked to anyones account on file. The isp will then try to trace the MAC.....ooops that isn't on file either....lmao. The only way for them to trace you with a hacked modem is to start shutting off people on your node until they get to you....very costly and will definitely p!ss off a few people. Not worth it to your isp. Now of course if you made a terrorist threat or something stupid like that then yeah they'll find you......

Now although we've never heard of any (verifiable) IKS busts....has any of you ever heard of anyone being busted with a hacked cable modem?? lol

**buddyjh** · 3 Weeks Ago

Hell you can be trace with stand alone if they wanna pour the money into it...I'm running iks and am not the least bit concerned...you think my cable company who compete with DN are gonna give out any information...I think not.

**Surrealone** · 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by emsudos

Your last post? Don't throw in the towel already....we're keeping it civil...lol. I love a "heated" debate every now and then.....

Now as far as the modem ohhh YEAH thats a federal rap IF you're caught running one.....Now here's the kicker though in order to catch you from the server end they would need your i.p. right? They will get an i.p even with a hacked cable modem...but when they notify the isp that i.p will not be linked to anyones account on file. The isp will then try to trace the MAC.....ooops that isn't on file either....lmao. The only way for them to trace you with a hacked modem is to start shutting off people on your node until they get to you....very costly and will definitely p!ss off a few people. Not worth it to your isp. Now of course if you made a terrorist threat or something stupid like that then yeah they'll find you......

Now although we've never heard of any (verifiable) IKS busts....has any of you ever heard of anyone being busted with a hacked cable modem?? lol

Ok if you say so..

Do you know what a scope of IP address is? Great most ISP's assign a scope or range to a node or head end for an area. And that makes it easy to find solve or fix problems. Now if you have an ip of another users great but you stick out like a sore thumb from your node/head end making it easy to find you. If they do a trace route on that ip yes they might get two of the same ip or more but yes they can narrow it down by the scope for that area. No I have not heard of anybody with hacked modem going to jail. But I have heard of people getting caught and shut down. The last thing in the world an isp wants on there network is a wide open modem who gives a F about IKS and it's tiny and when say tiny it is tiny amount of data in use. I think and I"m not sure I but there is a website or forum dedicated to hacked cable modems I'm sure you are aware of it.. But sure use a hacked modem great for you. like you said nobody in jail for hacked modem or IKS users. The worst case is you might get disconnected from IPS(hacked modem) or letter from DN telling you that you owe them $$$$$$
and to disconnect all IKS receivers...

**Surrealone** · 3 Weeks Ago

Buddy also has a great point my cable company aint givin sh#^ too DN. Not when I"m a $$$$ for my cable service

**johnnybluedawg** · 3 Weeks Ago

as far as everyone knows,, no one has been arrested for 'iks

emsudos · 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Surrealone

Ok if you say so..

Do you know what a scope of IP address is? Great most ISP's assign a scope or range to a node or head end for an area. And that makes it easy to find solve or fix problems. Now if you have an ip of another users great but you stick out like a sore thumb from your node/head end making it easy to find you. If they do a trace route on that ip yes they might get two of the same ip or more but yes they can narrow it down by the scope for that area.

Hmmm that I can't verify I'd have to call my cable buddy. But I do know this when I scanned for MACS with a sniffer (on my node because thats all the sniffer will do) I pulled in MACS and i.p's associated with those MACS from two states away (which means I'm on a HUGE node or people are pulling DHCP i.p's from different nodes which I suspect). I also know when I was running DHCP I would sometimes pull in a local i.p....or sometimes an i.p up to 4-5 states away.

The only way I would touch IKS is with a modded cable modem.

Every use has its downfalls....but I would certainly feel more secure with a modded modem running as you put it "tiny" packets (and it being used ONLY for IKS) then I would leaving my real i.p out there....hell the isp probably woudn't even notice that small amount of bandwidth being leeched....in fact I know they wouldn't.

emsudos · 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Surrealone

Buddy also has a great point my cable company aint givin sh#^ too DN. Not when I"m a $$$$ for my cable service

So lets try that theory out....go into a Chevy dealer and tell them you just stole a Ford. Better yet call Directv and tell them that you steal Dn by way of IKS....see how long it is until they act. I think you're glossing over here how these companies tend to stick together.....cable and satellite.

**bigevil69** · 3 Weeks Ago

using iks is a chance that you would have to choose to take if you desire

my take is if you feel like using iks is risky because there is a chance you can be traced by your ip then i have to ask do you not feel that it is risky to go to a site and download a file that your ip can be traced from

emsudos · 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by bigevil69

using iks is a chance that you would have to choose to take if you desire

my take is if you feel like using iks is risky because there is a chance you can be traced by your ip then i have to ask do you not feel that it is risky to go to a site and download a file that your ip can be traced from

Not at all....because they'd still have to prove that I actually used that file. As of right now they have not succeeded in proving that "possession" of a bin file is illegal....although I've read in the court docs they are trying to make it that way. If they track an i.p from a server.....then not only is the intent there but there is no legitimate reason to be logged onto that server other then to download control words to circumvent a providers signal. If there was it would be accessible to every Tom, ****, and Harry....not just people running an IKS module that is granted access.

**Sync45** · 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Surrealone

Ok thats one way... Or like me I have had IKS for 3 years now no problem. Just plug it in and good. If IKS get shut down to many doors to far apart to knock on. And the more doors the better

And if DN or anybody wants to knock on your door they need to find you. If you had any idea what they need to do to find your info from your IP and get your home address you would not be worried. Yes to find your isp from your ip is easy but they just cant call your isp and say hi I need joe's home address that is a violation of your privacy rights. They need to get a subpoena from a judge to give to isp first and they can only do one at a time not like they can do a group. IKS is a small fish in a very very big pond.

NEXT>>>>>>>>

sorry but I don't agree with that at all since I have found address using ip numbers before in a few mins, but it sounds nice

**Sync45** · 3 Weeks Ago

bottom line, the worlds not safe, driving, flying, walking, heck the air you breath isn't always safe the sun isn't safe. What is safe? safe from what? how about asking what your chances of getting caught are? or how many have got caught using iks. You would end up with alot better answer I assure you. Although you have to ask yourself, who would cut off the fingers that feed them