Motor, no signal question and/or Help Please - ABA DSS

**LadyVanita** · June 23rd, 2009

HI ABA, well , I am at a complete loss. Typing is all I can think of doing. Got a feeling, if you are kind enough to try and help, you might need a cup of coffee or something a bit stronger .. and that's just to get through the post.

Running a cw700, one lnb with motor, latest bin loaded which of course is freezing, but it is running. Very special friend is going to lend me a nf nova. He is kind enough to test it at home, loads the latest file, scans b#v, everything fine. All I have to do (lucky me) is get a cat 5 cable, plug it in and away I go .. right?

Not quite.

To prepare for the nf, I decide to move the dish to b#v with the cw, get 87% Q&S, save, but, unfortunately, because it is sitting on Nasa (no suprise there), the dish wants to move back to 119. Re position the dish to 91W, scan b#v, thinking I would just lock it on a bev channel working or not, but for some reason, it didn't want to save. Consequenty the dish moves back to 119. Being excited about the new toy ... I decide ......

No biggee, heard that the nova can deal with pointing a dish so off I go to get the nova. Come home, plug in the cat 5 cable, and everything else .. first message is .. no (bad) signal .. check antenna cable. Get into the menu, find the move dish function ... . dish won't move. Signal Q&S zero.

Ok, it's a new unit .. back to the cw .. I will move the dish with that, lock it somehow, and then figure out the nova.

Hook up CW .. nothing, dead as a door nail. Zero Q&S.

Now I am thinking that I have blown the lnb.. what else can it be?

I have been informed that the lnb does not effect the motor. But to check, I unhooked the lnb, only had the cable from the motor direct to the cw ... motor will not move. Replaced that cable with another cable in case it was faulty .. no movement. Ran a cable from the lnb direct to the cw, bypassing the motor, thinking that the dish is still pointed at Nasa .. no signal.

Undid the motor and turned by hand -- now this gets a bit testy, cause I can't see the tv ... but had volume as loud as possible .. not a peep.

To be honest, guys, I am feeling a little numb. I have it in my head that I am missing something so very simple but honestly for the life of me, I can't think what it is.

If two units, the lnb and the motor all blew at the same time, the odds on a lottery have got to be better than that - so in my mind I am just missing something or I have taken a stupid pill and the effects haven't worn off yet .. lol

Thanks so much for listening .. any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated especially those leaning towards a very empty piggy bank. LOL

**** Update: Had this typed and thought .......hummmm, factory file on the cw .. nope that does not work. Got a pm suggesting reset the motor, that is a little harder, I don't see a rest button but where the lights are .. no lights. I don't know if they only come on when the motor is engaged or not. Like I said, my understanding is that the lnb and the motor work separately. In my mind, I am wondering if any signal to the receiver, prompts the receiver to motivate the motor. If that is the case, maybe I just need a new lnb although probably wishful thinking on my part.

Hope all this makes sense.. I can post pictures if that helps. The motor is a Pansat PM900 btw.

Thanks again everyone .. don't even know what to try next.

(P.S. Perfect .. also heard today that nova has no support as of right now .. that's ok, right now I would give anything to have my Nasa back ...lol)

**VGiddy** · June 23rd, 2009

I think your problem is that you manually moved the dish at one time and as a result you have lost your Logitude and Lattitude information on the CW receiver.

What you need to do now is move the dish back to where it was, use the CW700 and go into menu>installation>usals settings and put in your Lattitude and Longitude. Then go into DiSEqC1.2 and move the motor till you reach 119 and save that position. Then move it to 110 and save that position, then move it to 91 and save that position. Now you can scan all these channels and you will find the motor will move to the sats on its own.

However, if you change the receiver, then you have to do all of the above for that receiver.That was your problem. You were under the impression that since you have setup the motor for the CW that it should work with the NF. No it wont.

All the positions were saved on the CW. The NF does not have that same info in its memory. You need to do it again and save it for NF.

I hope this information is clear toyou.

**LadyVanita** · June 23rd, 2009

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Originally Posted by VGiddy

I think your problem is that you manually moved the dish at one time and as a result you have lost your Logitude and Lattitude information on the CW receiver.

What you need to do now is move the dish back to where it was, use the CW700 and go into menu>installation>usals settings and put in your Lattitude and Longitude. Then go into DiSEqC1.2 and move the motor till you reach 119 and save that position. Then move it to 110 and save that position, then move it to 91 and save that position. Now you can scan all these channels and you will find the motor will move to the sats on its own.

However, if you change the receiver, then you have to do all of the above for that receiver.That was your problem. You were under the impression that since you have setup the motor for the CW that it should work with the NF. No it wont.

All the positions were saved on the CW. The NF does not have that same info in its memory. You need to do it again and save it for NF.

I hope this information is clear toyou.

Very clear .. Vgiddy .. and I appreciate the time you took to answer me. The problem is .. the dish won't move at all. The lights on the motor are not on. I don't know if they come on when I try to move the dish cause I live alone, but, sometimes, with the window open I can hear the engine working. There is no sound. Yes .. I did move it manually but only when I had the cable direct from the lnb to the receiver, bypassing the motor. The thought dawned on me that perhaps if I turned the dish by hand and got a signal, then I would know that the motor is fried and not the lnb. If I didn't get a signal then I think that the lnb is fried. The question is: does the lnb have to be working to tricker the receiver to move the dish. I have been told no.. but, perhaps that person is mistaken.

**VGiddy** · June 23rd, 2009

The reason the lights dont com ON is because your receiver has lost control of the motor. Once you reset the Motor to its centre position mark on the motor by moving the motor with the buttons on the motor, and then in the USALS page you set up the Longitude and Lattitude and tell the motor to move to position it will start moving.
The LNB is not fried nor the motor. The LNB does not trigger the motor. However you need to have the cable connected properly to the motor and to the LNB etc. If you know what I mean.

**LadyVanita** · June 23rd, 2009

I don't think there are any buttons are on the motor. For what it is worth I found this picture and description:

PM900 - pansat's DiSEqC1.2 motor, not true Horizon to Horizon movement only will track about 100 degrees of the ark. not 180

Between the two cable outlets there are to little holes. Now I seem to remember them being lights, but, with a magnifying glass I see two little pieces of plastic inside. I was told at one time in this nightmare to reset the motor by sticking a pin in to reset.. tried that .. still no signal and no movement in the motor.

The really annoying part Vgiddy.. is .. I set this up over two years ago and it has working (used to get all three sats) but since until I unplugged the cw and plug in the nova. Dead.

Please don't misunderstand me, I will follow any instructions or suggestions. Sorry if my frustration is coming through in my typing. Been a couple of annoying days.

**VGiddy** · June 24th, 2009

Sorry, I have no experience with the PM 900 Pansat motor.
I think the best person to help you would be 'bill of oz' who is quite an expert in this field.
Please PM him and ask for help. Failing which PM me and I will try to dig out some info on that motor and advise you accordingly.

**VGiddy** · June 24th, 2009

PM me your email address and I will send you all the instructions of how to setup your Motor Pansat PM900 from the Manufacturer.
A very detailed instruction of how to setup the motor etc.

**LadyVanita** · June 24th, 2009

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Originally Posted by VGiddy

PM me your email address and I will send you all the instructions of how to setup your Motor Pansat PM900 from the Manufacturer.
A very detailed instruction of how to setup the motor etc.

thank you, thank you, thank you .. maybe the instructions will tell me how to reset .. too

**painterguy14** · June 24th, 2009

Lady do you have any signal at all, maybe you have a bad connection some where

**LadyVanita** · June 24th, 2009

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Originally Posted by painterguy14

Lady do you have any signal at all, maybe you have a bad connection some where

If I had any less painter I would be giving it back to dn. Double checked all the connections. Changed the cable from motor to receiver, no change, changed the cable from lnb to receiver, no change. At this point I couldn't care less about quality .. I just need some strength to play with. (that might be visa versa actually - but, I think you know what I mean)

**painterguy14** · June 24th, 2009

& also if you get the 700 working again go back one file & there is no freezing

**LadyVanita** · June 24th, 2009

Thanks Vgiddy ..........

ok.. this sounds promising ... but, not sure I understand

If motor does not move*, reset** the multi connector located at main board inside the
motor (take the plastic module out).

**painterguy14** · June 24th, 2009

Are you using a signal meter? I have set up a couple of motors now & for some reason if I leave the meter squealing beside the motor the motor won't turn, turn the meter down so its not squealing & the motor turns fine. My meter seams to interfere with the motor for some reason.

**tomcat01** · June 24th, 2009

Note: 1.Check your receiver first if it works with DiSEqC 1.3(USALS) or only works with
DiSEqC 1.2.
2. Antenna reflector shape is easily damaged by your strong hand force or by
overtightening back mount bolts.
3. Each satellite can be programmed using either USALS or DiSEqC 1.2
independently.
4. If off tune, the following may be necessary for some satellite:
4-1) USALS( Change satellite location number )
4-2) DiSEqC 1.2( Manually tune and store )
5. Preprogram CH list for DiSEqC motor: refer to chart #2
6. Antenna elevation mark may differ with certain brands. In this case. set to the proper
elevation mark using chart #1 and adjust the antenna elevation until the best quality is
achieved.
7. If the motor fails to move to the correct position, resynchronize the unit by using
the “1.2 and go to reference” operation. Then go back to USALS.
8. If motor does not move*, reset** the multi connector located at main board inside the
motor (take the plastic module out).
9. It is not recommended that the east/west buttons be used as they may jam.

* this may occur when the module is replaced or if East/West button is frequently used
** to reset, remove the main board module located inside the motor, unplug and then re-plug the multi-connector

**tomcat01** · June 24th, 2009

read the bottom this is how to reset it ..

**LadyVanita** · June 24th, 2009

thanks tc.. vgiddy helped me with this two .. but mine does not have a piece of plastic in the slot .......that I think they are talking about

**bill of oz** · June 24th, 2009

zero signal generally means a wrong antenna setting (lnb freq, tp freq, diseqc port) or a bad connection to the LNB, or a bad LNB itself.....

so lets start at square one......

the first thing you do is bring your LNB inside to where your receiver is.....with your receiver off connect the LNB to the receiver using a short piece of RG6 cable.....

go into antenna settings for any circular sat such as 110, 119 or 91.....enter in all the proper info.....LNB freq 11250, tp 12224, diseqc none, etc etc.....you should get a signal reading but no Q, if not you have a bad LNB or a bad cable......

next turn the receiver off and connect the cable going to the dish to the receiver and to the motor input.....turn on the receiver and go into the antenna settings for the same satellite you used above.....

under motor options select "user", "installer" or diseqc 1.2.....now with the arrow keys on the remote try to move the motor east and west manually and have somebody watch the motor to see if it is moving.....

if you dont have anybody to watch the motor then bring the motor inside to your receiver and hook it up with the short piece of cable like you did with the LNB so you can watch it move.....

do both of those things then get back to us to help you further......

**VGiddy** · June 24th, 2009

Lady Vanita - You now have the helpof the expert on motor issues. Good luck.
I am watching your progress as I am also a novice at this stuff although with his help I was able to get my motor unit setup aswell.

**LadyVanita** · June 24th, 2009

First of all Bill .. thank you so much for answering this thread. My understanding is that you are the wizard of motors. So gave me great relief to see your name this morning.

Followed your instructions to a tee. Nothing .. no response from the LNB no response from the motor. The motor is just outside the window so can see if it moves. Can't tell if the lights come on when it is asked to move .. but, they are not on when just plugged in. In the past I heard the engine engage when asked to move ..not getting any sound from it at all.

I have loaded the factory bin on the cw700 .. so in the settings I have are as follows:

Satellite name 17 Echostar 7 (119W)
Transponder: 12224 / V / 20000 / 5 / 6
LNB Freq: 11250
(LNB Type: No longer appears)
22 KHz Off
Diseqc Number: None
(Legacy SW: No longer appears)
Motorized System: None (changed when testing the motor)

Wondered if I had a capacitors problem. The red light is on, but so are the LED lights. Guess that wouldn't answer the question of why the Nova has no signal either, would it? Just seems so strange to me that the motor and the lnb would become disfunctional at exactly the same time. Both worked a second before plugging in the nova. So the only thing that has changed in all this time is plugging a cat 5 cable into a receiver that is by one way or another connected to both of them.

(sorry - guess I am start to think out loud .. lol. I am now entering day three on trying to figure this out)

**LadyVanita** · June 24th, 2009

WoooooooHooooooooo.. things are looking up. Decided to run the test that Bill gave me on the nova too .........guess what.......LNB plus the motor work.

Don't know why they didn't before .. but.. they do now. Going to put the lnb back on the bracket .. and hook to motor. If it doesn't work then at least I know it is the cable.

I am getting there.