Help needed using 2 DUAL output LNB's with an SV-360E

[RufusBSaye]

Hi...

I posted this here vs. the SonicView area, figuring settings might be usable across various brands - but if not, please move this thread...

Trying to get two Eagle-Aspen DUAL (not twin) output legacy circular polarity LNB's to talk to my DV-360E+iHUB, while using an Eagle-Aspen DTV4x8 Multi-Switch.

The two birds in question are at 119 & 110. BTW, switch works OK with twin dual linear LNBF's pointed to other satellites on another receiver...

I'm going nuts with the settings (and terminology used in the menus)...

I can get one dual output LNB (connected straight to Tuner A & Tuner B inputs - bypassing the switch) to work great.

In other words, if I connect one LNB straight through, set up both tuners to the same satellite (say 119) and keep the defaults (Connection=Single, LNB=Single, 22KHz=Off, DiSEqC=Off, Legacy Switch=Off) then the receiver works fine, especially with recording one station/transponder while viewing another. I don't lose access to other transponders/stations while recording is running. Ditto if I connect each tuner to one of the two dual outputs from each LNB. Of course, then I'm limited to the other satellite while recording on the first...

Issue is the SV-360E controlling both dual output LNB's through the switch...

Going through the settings under "Dish Setting" menu, confusing ones for me are in bold:

Tuner ID: Tuner 1
Satellite: (119)
Connection: Single? (other choices are loop-through and DPP Separator, neither of which seem to apply - or work)
LNB Type: Choices [with valid LNB freq.) are Single or OCS-DP [plus Legacy Twin or Quad A or B, which I'm certain don't apply to Dual output LNBs]
LNB Frequency: 11250 (of course)
22Khz: Off
LNB Power: On
Transponder: 12224 (though I use 12239 for aiming)
Search Option: All
Network Search: On
DiSEqC: Choices are Off/Mini-A/Mini-B/Port 1/Port 2/Port 3/Port 4
Motor: Off (for simplicity, currently connected to a fixed dish for now)
Legacy Switch: Choices are Off / SW21 LNB1 or LNB2 / SW42 LNB1 or LNB2 / SW44 LNB1 or LNB2

Tuner 2 settings will differ, of course...

The Eagle-Aspen switch is capable of both 18V and 22KHz control....

So where am I going wrong, and what should the SV settings be?

and Thanks...

[s2byus]

WELCOME TO ABA!
Try these:

Switch Connections:
119 dual LNB: one coax hook to switch input 18V and the other to switch input 13V
110 dual LNB: same way as above to switch inputs 18V/22khz and 13V/22khz.

One switch output - to be connected to the SV360E input IF A-IN and another switch output to the SV360E input IF B-IN.

SV360E settings for BOTH Tuners:

Satellite 119° -------------- Satellite 110°
Connection:Separate ------ Connection: Separate
LNB Power: On ------------ LNB Power: On
LNB Type: Single ----------LNB Type: Single
LNB Frequency: 11250 ---- LNB Frequency: 11250
Transponder: 12239 -------- Transponder: 12224
22khz: Off ------------------- 22khz: On
Search options: All --------- Search options: All
Network search: On--------- Network search: On
Diseqc : Off ------------------ Diseqc : Off
Motor: Disable --------------- Motor: Disable
Legacy Switch: Off --------- Legacy Switch: Off

[RufusBSaye]

Thanks for the welcome!!

Here's some feedback... and results of further experimentation...

I was brought here by a search engine result quoting edwinsao's circa-2007 terminology explanation (which is a Sticky on the top page of this section). Great breakdown of terms and meanings... Thanks!

Being stubborn (and in the spirit of true FTA experimentation!) I had actually worked out the same settings you provided... This switch (when combined with the SV-360E) prefers 22KHz control it seems.

BUT (and there always is <grin>) I found that I had to put 110 on tuner A and 119 on Tuner B due to some weirdness in scanning... I'm still trying to separate what might be an SV, cabling, or LNB issue, or combination thereof.

I originally had 119 assigned to Tuner A, intending to add 110 on Tuner B using the switch.

Symptoms: After finally getting the Tuner B and 2nd satellite to show up properly on the setup screen, I couldn't get 110 to completely scan without failure. Channels on 110 refused to show up in the guide... or in manual selection e.g. starting to enter 100 got 101, with no sign of 100 or 102...

Did a complete reset back to factory, added back in all of my settings etc., moved 110 to Tuner A, scanned... (still "failed") but hey, channels appeared! (and the ones that were supposed to be working under IKS did - bonus!). Added 119 to Tuner B, and made sure that (after saving) the settings were retained. Then went back in, scanned, and for about 30 seconds, saw all channels in guide...

Weird part is, I can get one set of satellite channels to appear in the guide at a time i.e. 119 OR 110 - and depending on which set is showing in the guide.

Say, while watching TV, you hit OK and get a channel list - by selecting Sat 1 or Sat 2 (green button) you can switch between birds (and channel listings...). I was under the impression that the SV-360E allowed a seamless transition between satellites - is my impression wrong, or are my settings wrong somewhere?

Finally, I still have yet to try out the PVR functions while watching another channel/transponder - better half has taken over the remote <grin> - so that part has to wait...

Thanks...

[s2byus]

In order to get what you want and find out why you may not get what you think you should, it is important to have a clear understanding on how things work or should work.

Dual LNB:
The 2 outputs (coax hooks) provide independent signals of the same satellite, the LNB/dish is aimed to.
The STB receiver controls the LNB polarization by sending a DC voltage 13Volt or 18Volt according to the polarization (Rght or Left for Circular, Horizintal or Vertical for Linear LNBs) required by a specific channel. This DC control voltage is sent by the STB receiver to the LNB through the same coax cables that carry the signals from the LNB to the receiver.

Eagle-Aspen DTV4x8 Multi-Switch:
This switch has 4 inputs divided into two pairs. Each pair has 2 inputs -one that supplies 13Volt to one coax hook and the other 18Volt to the second coax hook of the LNB hooked to that pair. This way, each LNB makes available to the switch both polarization signals simultaneously.
By connecting one LNB to each pair, the switch is provided with both satellite signals simultaneusly.
The desired satellite is selected by the 22khz On or Off command sent by the STB receiver / tuner hooked to a specific switch output.
The required polarization within a specific satellite, is controlled by the STB receiver sending that 13Volt or 18Volt command to the switch via the output connected to it, and selects the corresponding LNB signal.
It is to be emphasized that each of the 8 switch outputs, can select and provide to the STB receiver / tuner hooked to it, any of the four input signals always avalable at the switch inputs, regardless the selections of the other switch outputs.

SV-360 Elite STB receiver:
As a dual tuner receiver, the Connection: Separate setting provides complete and fully independent functionality for each of the two tuners. This means that by connecting two of the above switch outputs - one to each tuner input, each tuner will be able to receive any of the two satellite signals with any polarization by providing the appropriate commands as explained above. This enables to take full advantage of the dual tuner capability to watch any channel of any satellite while, at the same time, recording any other channel of the same or of the other satellite.
Therefore the behaviour of each tuner is expected to be the same or very similar for a given satellite if the settings of both tuners are the same.

If so, the problem with 110, may rather be related to aiming. To better isolate this problem, I would bypass the switch by connecting the 2 outputs of the same LNB / satellite - one to each tuner - directly and analyze the findings in view of the above explanations.

[Victor Hugo]

Originally Posted by RufusBSaye

Hi...

I posted this here vs. the SonicView area, figuring settings might be usable across various brands - but if not, please move this thread...

Trying to get two Eagle-Aspen DUAL (not twin) output legacy circular polarity LNB's to talk to my DV-360E+iHUB, while using an Eagle-Aspen DTV4x8 Multi-Switch.

The two birds in question are at 119 & 110. BTW, switch works OK with twin dual linear LNBF's pointed to other satellites on another receiver...

I'm going nuts with the settings (and terminology used in the menus)...

I can get one dual output LNB (connected straight to Tuner A & Tuner B inputs - bypassing the switch) to work great.

In other words, if I connect one LNB straight through, set up both tuners to the same satellite (say 119) and keep the defaults (Connection=Single, LNB=Single, 22KHz=Off, DiSEqC=Off, Legacy Switch=Off) then the receiver works fine, especially with recording one station/transponder while viewing another. I don't lose access to other transponders/stations while recording is running. Ditto if I connect each tuner to one of the two dual outputs from each LNB. Of course, then I'm limited to the other satellite while recording on the first...

Issue is the SV-360E controlling both dual output LNB's through the switch...

Going through the settings under "Dish Setting" menu, confusing ones for me are in bold:

Tuner ID: Tuner 1
Satellite: (119)
Connection: Single? (other choices are loop-through and DPP Separator, neither of which seem to apply - or work)
LNB Type: Choices [with valid LNB freq.) are Single or OCS-DP [plus Legacy Twin or Quad A or B, which I'm certain don't apply to Dual output LNBs]
LNB Frequency: 11250 (of course)
22Khz: Off
LNB Power: On
Transponder: 12224 (though I use 12239 for aiming)
Search Option: All
Network Search: On
DiSEqC: Choices are Off/Mini-A/Mini-B/Port 1/Port 2/Port 3/Port 4
Motor: Off (for simplicity, currently connected to a fixed dish for now)
Legacy Switch: Choices are Off / SW21 LNB1 or LNB2 / SW42 LNB1 or LNB2 / SW44 LNB1 or LNB2

Tuner 2 settings will differ, of course...

The Eagle-Aspen switch is capable of both 18V and 22KHz control....

So where am I going wrong, and what should the SV settings be?

and Thanks...

To ABA family, enjoy your stay,

[RufusBSaye]

All:

Thanks for the welcome, and the great tutorial... which I didn't need, but which I'll archive for future reference...

I've been messing with dual LNB's for a while, first with BEV (circular), initially with just one bird, then two... mixed through an SW44 into standard def, then HD, PVR's.

Migrated to SC, with two separate dual linear LNBF's and this Eagle Aspen switch into a Motorola HD PVR (also two birds).

Note that for both of these providers, I was using their STB's - operation is a bit of a "black box" - SV-360E is much more customizable, hence some confusion.

Still have SC, but have shuffled stuff around such that the E-A switch got freed up.

That (the E-A switch) has now been installed with the SV-360E+iHUB and two new E-A circular LNB's...

Both 119W and 110W work great if I just use one satellite at a time - In other words, with a strong signal (74 with close to 100% quality on both), and after using menu to do a reset to factory, a fresh scan gets all channels in the guide for that satellite.

Join both birds through the switch, and life gets interesting... I think I'm doing something wrong with the SV-360E settings or setup. I get a fully populated guide for each bird.

My issue now is not having a continuous listing of channels from both satellites in the guide at the same time.

If watching a show on one satellite, to see the "other" satellite, I have to manually start entering channel number, then pick a channel coming to the tuner I'm not connected to at the moment - then, tada, the focus in the guide (and the channels selected if scrolling up or down with the remote) changes.

To put this another way, if I'm on 110W watching [say] National Geographic on channel 186, unless I take steps outlined above, I can't easily "see" Animal Planet on 119W at channel 184. And vice-versa. (i.e. easily switching channels on one or the other (but not both) satellite's channels at the same time...).

This is more a convenience issue than a reception problem...

I had read that the best method was a separate scan for each satellite... is this wrong?

Thanks in advance.