Understanding LNB's - Types

[grasshopper]

There are 2 different groups of KU band satellites, FSS (Fixed Satellite Service) and DBS (Direct Broadcast Satellite).

DBS satellites are the type satellites used by DN, DTV, BEV, and VOOM, and the band is authorized for use in North America. They operate from 12200-12700 MHz, and their polarity is circular.

FSS satellites are thought of as general purpose satellites and is the home of many different broadcast media and many different types of signals. The FSS satellites are placed worldwide around the globe. The frequency is 10700-12700 MHz and the polarity is linear. Here in NA we primarily use the portion of the band from 11700-12200 MHz. A few signals from satellites over the Atlantic can be found in the 11200-11700 MHz portion, but there are not very many.

Linear polarity satellites broadcast their signals with the waveform being sent from the antenna either in the vertical plane (oriented up-down) or the horizontal plane (oriented left-right). This allows twice the amount of channels to be transmitted by the satellite in the same amount of bandwidth, as the signals from the opposite polarity are attenuated enough so that they don't interfere with each other.

Circular polarity satellites send their signal in a corkscrew pattern, and the polarity is determined by the direction of rotation of the signal, either right hand or left hand.

When the signal is reflected from the dish, it enters what is called a feedhorn. The feedhorn, or feed for short, focuses the received signal down a tuned tube, which is called a waveguide. We sometimes refer to the waveguide as the THROAT of the feedhorn. At the end of the waveguide is the entrance to the amplifier. The amp usually has 2 probes that is each oriented to correspond to the horizontal and vertical polarities, and is switched by the amplifier according to which polarity is needed. A circular feedhorn has a small device that transforms the circular signals to either horizontal or vertical signals for processing by the amp. The amplifier is generally called an LNA (low noise amplifier).

The amp does it's job and amplifies the very weak microwave signal, and then it's passed on to a device called a downconverter. A microwave signal has extremely high loss when trying to send it down a regular coax. After just a few feet there would not be much signal left because of this loss. Lower loss coax could be used, but it would be extremely expensive. The downconverter "converts" the signals to a much lower frequency so that relatively inexpensive coax can be used to get the signal from the dish to the receiver. Todays technology has allowed the combining of the LNA and downconverter into the same box. This is called an LNB, or Low Noise Block converter. And feeds are now being integrated with LNB's into a single assembly known as an LNBF.

C Band dishes work on basically the same principle above, except the feeds and dishes are MUCH bigger, and use a much lower frequency of 3400-4200 MHz. They can also be either linear or circular polarity.


You must have the proper LNBF for the type of satellite you want to receive. A DBS LNBF won't receive much of anything in the FSS band, and vice versa. 2 LNBF's are required to receive both bands.

There are generally just 1 type of DBS LNBF, but there are 2 types of FSS LNBF's, standard and universal.

A standard LNBF will cover a single portion of the FSS band, usually 11700-12200. It has a single local oscillator frequency, which is usually 10750 MHz.

A universal LNBF is an offshoot of LNBF's that are mainly used in Europe, where they have a need to tune several sections of the KU FSS band with a single LNBF. They will tune 10700-12700 MHz. and they have 2 seperate local oscillators at 9750 and 10600 MHz, which will allow the LNBF to tune a large expanse of spectrum. The receiver uses a special signal to tell the LNBF which of the local oscillators it should use for the frequency it needs to tune. See this post for more information and my thoughts about universal LNBF's...

Some of this stuff might be a little difficult to understand, as it's a lot of information in a short space. As you learn about terms in satellite TV, maybe this will be a reference you can come back to and help you understand things a bit better.

The standard Lnb's set frequencies are:

C-band LO 5150 MHz

Ku-band/FTA LO 10750MHz

circular DBS LO 11250MHz

A euro-'universal' LNB will have two LO's and may be configured using the default values stored in the receivers

A stacked LNB uses the standard frequencies for vertical/left-circular polarisation, then lowers the LO frequency (often by 575MHz or so) for the horizontal/right-circular transponders.

[Bud_Alcor]

As always GH thnaks for sharing your Knowledge.

[shery20]

very good work

[gentry]

Thanks for the knowledge. You Never stop learning on this site.

[shery20]

thank for the wonderful explantion,i am trying to catch galaxy 10 r 123 w, i have dtv 36 inch dish linear ku band lnb,i could not lock on to it so far i can get signal only 20 any good advise also what should the setting for vs pvr 7000 aor vs plattinum lite please explain
here is the picture of my lnb

Linear KuP1705KU
FSS/Linear Single Output
40mm THROAT
11.7-12.2 GHz

[Jogi]

Great Info. Many Thanx

[Jogi]

LNB CB2800A fits in which catagory and what are functionality differnces.

[Apocalypse_67]

Originally Posted by Jogi

LNB CB2800A fits in which catagory and what are functionality differnces.

Thats a dual band low freq LNB. LNB Type should be set at Universal.

[Jogi]

is this good for international chennals ? Many Thanx.

[Apocalypse_67]

Yes you can use for 121W and 118.7.
When used for 118.7 you can do a double scan and get 119W with the same LNB

[kingsat13]

Thanks fr that knowledge. I try to usethe challie installed twin lnbf to scan for galaxy 23- 121 W, same as echo. 9 121W, it was ill performed. all i could get were named echos... channels. The worst thing, couldn't get much. what do you think happened?
Secondly, i later bought legacy quad qph-031( invacom), but I have a DTv's tripple feed horn dish system. Can I remove the tripple lnb and install the quad invacom using the dish and the arm from DTV?? Any probs with that becs the name of that company is printed on the dish?- D.T.V- "the second patner of challie"
any advice would be greatly appreciated...

[bearhunter]

I am newb still trying to undersrand the testing prosedure, thank u for these tutotials

[pchurch]

Great info Grasshopper. Thanks again.

[chill dawg]

GH:

Great info and I added this to my library.

p.s. keep them coming

[your]

just wondering if i can use a star choice dish with my veiwsat lite and if so what are the settings for installation and what sats can i point at thanks in advance your

[Homebrew627]

Most excellent explaination, thank you so much.

Dennis.

[dw7]

I am trying to set up a 23"quad eliptical dish what is the easyest way? Also i have a terestial antenna with no instructionns how do i aim this antenna?hope someone can help me thanks a bunch.

[fossil112]

Originally Posted by dw7

I am trying to set up a 23"quad eliptical dish what is the easyest way? Also i have a terestial antenna with no instructionns how do i aim this antenna?hope someone can help me thanks a bunch.

you'll need to start your own thread. that way, you'll get noticed better and will get better responses.
you'll probably get moved by a mod.

[bigfatso]

thanks for the info.