[arboristman]

here's a good one i found a c/p of a c/p lol so not sure who to credit,but whomever you are,thanks buddy:

C/P

A very good read
Hello Guys, here is an interesting post on Nagra 3 that i c&p from another site.
I have censored providers names & site names.
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Card Swap & Nagra 3 Explained
Here's a pretty complete quick info sheet regarding the Nagra 3 switch. So many people have been asking variations of the following questions:

1) What is N3?
2) Why do channels on BEV keep going down? Where are the PPV?
3) When is there going to be a fix?
4) Do I need to re-point my dish? Where?
5) When will **** go down?
6) Should I buy a receiver or wait?

So here is the most concise answer I have given thus far:

What is N3? When will there be a fix?

You're not supposed to steal TV. The providers, such as Bev and ****, have over 500 channels of protected content that they are required to encrypt in order to continue to carry those channels. Since they are programming providers and not encryption specialists, they outsource that job to a company called Kudelski. Kudelski uses an encryption system called Nagravision. Each subscriber is sent a card that allows them to only see the channels they are subscribed to. But these cards get hacked and those hacks allow you to use your FTA receiver to get free **** and Bev.

Obviously, if Kudelski allowed this to happen without any upgrading of their system, they would go out of business. That's why they send new cards to each customer each time they get hacked. So far they have done this once. They shut down Nagravision 1 and introduced Nagravision 2. Since you are watching Bev and **** without a subscription, you know that Nagravision 2 is fully hacked, otherwise you would be looking at a black screen with EPG info.

So, ladies and gentlemen, here comes Nagravision 3. That's right, Kudelski really doesn't want you stealing from their customers (**** and Bev), so they are sending each subscriber a handsome new purple card to replace the hacked yellow one. Once each subscriber changes out their card, they will shut down the Nagra2 stream that lets you watch your free TV and the only stream that will be active will be the new Nagra3 stream that at this point, has not been cracked.

As each of the millions of subscribers cuts up their old cards and activates their new ones, **** and Bev will gradually begin switching channels over. That's why you get some channels in beautiful clarity but eternal black screens on others.

Nagra3 will be cracked because if man can make it, then man can break it. But for the time being, the forum will be flooded with all sorts of disparate and desperate posts questioning why certain channels are gone. There will be torrents of trolls proclaiming that this is the end of the line for FTA and that IKS and other highly risky testing methods will be the way to go from here on out. We the staff of ******** will do our best to keep the thugs away, but the best way to control the repetitive threads is to sweep and merge them into this one. So please try to refrain from belittling others for what seem to be repetitive questions. Most likely the "repetitive" question was asked in a completely separate thread that now has been shoved into this one. Likewise, if you posted what you believe is the only question about Nagra3 and now find it to be gone, understand that we do not delete such threads. If you do a search for all of your posts, you will probably find that it has been moved here with all of the other harried posters who thought they too were asking the only Nagra3 question.

There has been progress made with N3 on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean. But do not expect a fix for BEV until both providers have completely switched over. In fact, the first N3 fix will likely be **** Net only. Last time around, BEV was in the dark for almost 3 months after Dish was brought back up. The priority of the coders is always **** Net. BEV is secondary and G-C is tertiary. Sorry BEV fans, but that's just the way it has always been. You will need to repoint your dish to 110 and 119 in order to receive programming comparable to BEV for the time being. Dish Net is expected to begin switching over soon, however.

Use our site's Dish Pointer to figure out where to point.

If "man can make it, man can break it", then why has it been 4 years since Dave/HU was shut down and still no crack?

The naysayers, doomsayers, and forum trolls like to say things like "Well, they said P4 was going to be fixed but four years later DTV is still not cracked." Here's my response to that:

I do not intend for there to be a discussion of the points that I am making. This is not a DTV site and we do not talk about cards, loaders, unloopers, bootloaders, or anything of that nature.

DTV hacking was expensive. In addition to receivers, it required a substantial investment in the aforementioned equipment. It was also extremely dealer-driven: In order to get a fix that had any lasting power, you needed to have your card programmed by a dealer who provided private files that you paid a fair amount of money for.

The nature of the DTV testing community made it very easy for the provider to go after end-users for lots of money and to nail the dealers to the cross. It was a very risky business.

Then along comes the FTA craze. Here you have a legal product that is rather inexpensive and that uses a fairly generic video delivery system (DVB) that is used worldwide, unlike the proprietary and patented system that DTV uses (DSS).

Since you can't bust someone for buying an FTA receiver, the end-user tactic used by Dave would be next to impossible. The coders are dispersed around the world in places that really don't care about copyright laws (such as China and Korea), as opposed to hackers who were largely US-based (such as with DTV).

Dealers who sell FTA receivers are far less likely to end up in jail than dealers who sell unloopers and bootloaders.

The final answer to the "they said there would be a P4 hack and it never happened" charge is that FTA-based hacking is 1) less risky and 2) more profitable. The industry always takes the path of least resistance. There is no public P4 hack simply because it's more risky and less profitable.

Strictly speaking, the P4 fix that "never came" was the FTA revolution.

There is to be no more discussion on this matter.

Happy Testing.