Changing from DN to B3V Part II - ABA DSS

mcse4u · July 5th, 2009

Had to start a new thread since mine was hijacked.
Trying to get BEV on my Nova. I did NOT move the dish, I just went to Antenna setup, went to 91.0w Nimiq1 KU. I get a 72 signal strength and 91 Quality. I went to scan channels and it didn't add anything. Do I need to move the dish if I'm getting good S&Q? Or did I miss something? I did not reset the nova. Still have 110 and 119 programmed in it.

Sat is 91w nimiq1 ku
quad DPLNBF
lo freq 11250
Lock TP 12224
Diseqc both on disable

manifresh006 · July 5th, 2009

My advice is to delete all your 110,119 channels since they arent working on NOVA right??? That way you know you are getting only 91 Ku

Second make sure your set up(Installation) is right like your ant set up, DiSEqC switch number.And then do a scan make sure you only scan for 91 and dont have Hearts on 110&119 as FaV B|C that will cause to multi scan 110&116&91

Keep us posted on result or if you need more help..
MaNNy

Sky_Pilot · July 5th, 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcse4u

Had to start a new thread since mine was hijacked.
Trying to get BEV on my Nova. I did NOT move the dish, I just went to Antenna setup, went to 91.0w Nimiq1 KU. I get a 72 signal strength and 91 Quality. I went to scan channels and it didn't add anything. Do I need to move the dish if I'm getting good S&Q? Or did I miss something? I did not reset the nova. Still have 110 and 119 programmed in it.

Sat is 91w nimiq1 ku
quad DPLNBF
lo freq 11250
Lock TP 12224
Diseqc both on disable

You have to move your dish and point it at 91w in order to get that sat.

You're getting S&Q but for a different sat.

You'll also know that you are hitting 91w when you see the banner pop-up in your Antenna Settings.

But for that to happen, you have to physically move the dish so it is pointed at the sat you wish to receive.

There are plenty of "How To's" on this web site as well as on the internet.

You can start at dishpointer dot com

And you might want to mark the current position and elevation of your dish with a Sharpie in case you want to move it back to its current position someday.

But for now, you need to point it at 91w and once you are locked on to that sat, do a scan.

Don't worry about 82w - you won't get it without an HD receiver or if you don't live in or near Canada.

But you're not going to get any 91w channels until you move your dish and lock onto that sat.

See the photo, and the "91W NIMIQ 1" banner/text that verifies that you are locked on to 91w as displayed below:
See pic in thread below:

Sky_Pilot · July 5th, 2009

[QUOTE=Sky_Pilot;705857]You have to move your dish and point it at 91w in order to get that sat.

You're getting S&Q but for a different sat.

You'll also know that you are hitting 91w when you see the banner pop-up in your Antenna Settings.

But for that to happen, you have to physically move the dish so it is pointed at the sat you wish to receive.

There are plenty of "How To's" on this web site as well as on the internet.

You can start at dishpointer dot com

And you might want to mark the current position and elevation of your dish with a Sharpie in case you want to move it back to its current position someday.

But for now, you need to point it at 91w and once you are locked on to that sat, do a scan.

Don't worry about 82w - you won't get it without an HD receiver or if you don't live in or near Canada.

But you're not going to get any 91w channels until you move your dish and lock onto that sat.

See the photo, and the "91W NIMIQ 1" banner/text that verifies that you are locked on to 91w as displayed below:

Sky_Pilot · July 5th, 2009

Of course, you can always find an inexpensive Dave TV dish on craigslist with a single LNB for cheap ($15-$20) and mount it so it is aimed at 91w so if and when both service providers are back up and running, you can use both dishes for both providers.

An inexpensive 4x1 switch or a 22KHz switch to separate the providers will be needed, but you'll be able to switch between 91w/110w/119w almost instantly.

I would opt for a 22KHz switch - keeps things really simple, especially if you are already using a DN dish with a built in Diseqc switch for 110w/119w

Just connect the output of each dish to the 22KHz switch and set your antenna settings accordingly to match your hardware setup.

The Ecoda 22KHz switch is inexpensive, fast and dependable as the sunrise.

The pic below shows what a 2 dish setup would look like.

The single LNB dish (top of the pic) is pointed at 91w while the double LNB (bottom of the pic) dish is pointed at 110w/119w:

The type of LNB you are currently using for your DN dish will determine what kind of switch you may need to make both dishes work together.

If the DN LNB's are "Legacy" then you can just connect the Dave LNB to the existing Diseqc switch, probably to port #3 if it's not in use or port #4 if its open.

Otherwise, you'll probably have to opt for the 22KHz switch.

Then there is always the fun of a 36" or bigger Dish on a Motor and an Invacom Quad LNB that lets you get all kinds of stuff from all kinds of satellites and is a lot of fun to play around with.

You keep your smaller dish with the two LNBs for the sats you watch the most, like 110/119 and then you use the Big Dish to hit all the other sats that you can get like: 61.5w/82w/91w/97w/118.8w/123w/129w/148w
depending on where you live and what you can get.

It's a lot of fun.

For about $200.00, you can get yourself a 36" dish if bought locally for about $60.00 (shipping can easily double that cost) and Invacom Quad LNB that allows you to get both Linear and Circular sats with one LNB (About $55.00 delivered) and a good quality motor like a DG-280 (About $80.00 delivered)

Factor in a few more bucks for RG6 cable and a Chieta HD 4x1 switch and/or an Ecoda 22KHz switch and for a little over $200.00, you can hit about a dozen or so birds, many of them "True FTA" sats and many not, but either way your viewing horizons will be greatly expanded.

Once the channels are opened up again, I would highly recommend this setup to those who are serious and want to get the most "bang for their buck" when it comes to this "hobby"

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DISCLAIMER:
The information in my posts is strictly hypothetical and is not a reflection of my actions or my intentions.
I do not condone or suggest the unauthorized viewing of encrypted satellite signals.
I am merely copying and pasting information I have read here and elsewhere and I am passing it on to others to possibly enhance and expand their legal viewing options.

mcse4u · July 5th, 2009

I have a NOVA, and my screens look nothing like what you posted. I moved my dish elevation down a smidgen, and I'm getting 82 on signal. I factory defaulted, ran a software update from the internet/software update. Set the attenna to 91w nimiq with Diseq at port 2. I moved the dish all the way down to 40 elevation, and the signal dropped to 8. Moved it back up around 47.5 and it's back up in the 80's, so how can I not be picking up the right bird?
I have a Dish 500 on the wall. There don't appear to be any markings on the thing for azimuth, just elevation and skew (which is says I don't need to touch). So what do I do??? Zip code 89131
I go to scan the channels, and it picks up nothing. NEED HELP!

According to dishpointer, when I was on 110/119 my elevation should have been 47.5. My dish was set closer to 49.5.
Latitude: 36.2994°
Longitude: -115.2482° Name: 110.0W DirecTV 5 | Echostar 10, 11
Distance: 37244km Motor Latitude: 36.3°
Declination Angle: 5.8°
Dish Elevation: °
Elevation: 47.5°
Azimuth (true): 171.2°
Azimuth (magn.): 158.5°
LNB Skew [?]: -7.1° Dish Skew [?]: 90.0°

Latitude: 36.2994°
Longitude: -115.2482° Name: 91.0W Galaxy 17 | Nimiq 1, 2
Distance: 37729km Motor Latitude: 36.3°
Declination Angle: 5.8°
Dish Elevation: °
Elevation: 40.7°
Azimuth (true): 142.7°
Azimuth (magn.): 130.1°
LNB Skew [?]: -29.2° Dish Skew [?]: 90.0°

goobenet · July 5th, 2009

Elevation is one factor, the other is the azimuth. Depending on your location, look around at other people's DN dishes, see notice that they're pointed off true south? 91 is almost directly south. In the midwest it points almost directly south. It's quite a swing actually (about 1 inch on the mast for me)

Your screen should look like this one, note the flag on the top right that people are referring to. See how it matches the sat you've selected?

Sorry for the large picture, but i can't seem to resize the stupid thing... Oh well, the bigger the clearer.

mcse4u · July 5th, 2009

My setup looks exactly like that. Still when I scan channels, it goes through all 32 pages and finds nothing. Very frustrating. I put my dish back to the way it was.

**creativegenius** · July 5th, 2009

For the Nova unit, you'll want to grab a copy of the nFusion Master pack from the nFusion Downloads section, the file is dated mid Febuary, but it is up to date!

http://www.abadss.com/forum/831-nfus...y-updated.html

Creative Genius

mcse4u · July 5th, 2009

already have the files. I have 4 novas. They all do the same thing.

mcse4u · July 6th, 2009

Anyone with some thoughts? Can anyone give me a realistic explanation on why I can get a good signal strength on 91w but not be able to scan any channels? If I wasn't pointed at the right bird, how could I get good signal strength from it????

Already factory restored. Already running latest LEGIT BIN.

goobenet · July 6th, 2009

I read somewhere that 151 will not work for nova... Rather, it will work but has had mixed reviews. Have you tried rolling back to the 150.3? Also, are you loading via the web interface or are you using the menu in the nfusion? Or using a serial cable? (spose the first two options are the same as the server is going to give you 150.3) Also which factory file did you load? There's tons of posts here about going from u38 or something like that to u43.

That's all i can come up with... Other than that, have you tried power cycling the STB after the update? I had to do that when i upgraded the bin last time, some odd reason it wouldn't take...

inkslinger2 · July 6th, 2009

Simply put, getting a signal reading and a quality reading does NOT mean you're getting them from the INTENDED satellite, it means that you're getting signal from SOME satellite that your dish is pointed at. As in the pictures, the antenna setup page MUST display the name of the intended satellite to match the satellite you have selected in the satellite menu. Each satellite uses varying transponder settings. Those for one satellite will not necessarily be the same as those for another, therefore, even if you have the satellite "selected", and you're getting signal and quality readings, you're not necessarily getting them from a satellite with transponder details that match the selected satellite.

You MUST physically point your dish at the satellite before you can tune it in. If your dish is pointed at 119W, you WILL NOT receive signal from 91W unless and until you re-aim your dish. On the antenna settings menu when you select a sat to tune to, watch the area ABOVE the dark box and to the right of center for the NAME of the satellite you're getting the quality and signal readings from.

**Victor Hugo** · July 6th, 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sky_Pilot

Of course, you can always find an inexpensive Dave TV dish on craigslist with a single LNB for cheap ($15-$20) and mount it so it is aimed at 91w so if and when both service providers are back up and running, you can use both dishes for both providers.

An inexpensive 4x1 switch or a 22KHz switch to separate the providers will be needed, but you'll be able to switch between 91w/110w/119w almost instantly.

I would opt for a 22KHz switch - keeps things really simple, especially if you are already using a DN dish with a built in Diseqc switch for 110w/119w

Just connect the output of each dish to the 22KHz switch and set your antenna settings accordingly to match your hardware setup.

The Ecoda 22KHz switch is inexpensive, fast and dependable as the sunrise.

The pic below shows what a 2 dish setup would look like.

The single LNB dish (top of the pic) is pointed at 91w while the double LNB (bottom of the pic) dish is pointed at 110w/119w:

The type of LNB you are currently using for your DN dish will determine what kind of switch you may need to make both dishes work together.

If the DN LNB's are "Legacy" then you can just connect the Dave LNB to the existing Diseqc switch, probably to port #3 if it's not in use or port #4 if its open.

Otherwise, you'll probably have to opt for the 22KHz switch.

Then there is always the fun of a 36" or bigger Dish on a Motor and an Invacom Quad LNB that lets you get all kinds of stuff from all kinds of satellites and is a lot of fun to play around with.

You keep your smaller dish with the two LNBs for the sats you watch the most, like 110/119 and then you use the Big Dish to hit all the other sats that you can get like: 61.5w/82w/91w/97w/118.8w/123w/129w/148w
depending on where you live and what you can get.

It's a lot of fun.

For about $200.00, you can get yourself a 36" dish if bought locally for about $60.00 (shipping can easily double that cost) and Invacom Quad LNB that allows you to get both Linear and Circular sats with one LNB (About $55.00 delivered) and a good quality motor like a DG-280 (About $80.00 delivered)

Factor in a few more bucks for RG6 cable and a Chieta HD 4x1 switch and/or an Ecoda 22KHz switch and for a little over $200.00, you can hit about a dozen or so birds, many of them "True FTA" sats and many not, but either way your viewing horizons will be greatly expanded.

Once the channels are opened up again, I would highly recommend this setup to those who are serious and want to get the most "bang for their buck" when it comes to this "hobby"

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DISCLAIMER:
The information in my posts is strictly hypothetical and is not a reflection of my actions or my intentions.
I do not condone or suggest the unauthorized viewing of encrypted satellite signals.
I am merely copying and pasting information I have read here and elsewhere and I am passing it on to others to possibly enhance and expand their legal viewing options.

Thanks for the very good explanation, I`Am staring to enjoy this Hobby.

mcse4u · July 6th, 2009

Here's an update. I had a Professional FTA installer come out. He pointed the dish correctly at 91w, verified it with his dishfinder and we still couldn't lock on. I performed a complete refresh of the nova with factory file, boot file and 1.50.3 bin. Still no luck on 4 Novas.
He even swapped out the LNB with another just to be sure...Nothing...I give up.

goobenet · July 7th, 2009

There's something else going on if the dish is pointed correctly and the screen looks identical to my picture i posted. What's your switch configuration? You said you have 4 nova's, do you have a quad dishpro LNB? Also, when you do configure it, and then scan channels, does it find anything for you? Don't give up man! It's frustrating at times, but the more info you can give us, the more help we can be!

Please post your wiring diagram and all equipment, we can get this thing nailed yet.

mcse4u · July 7th, 2009

quad pro lnb with dish 500 dish. The switch is buried in the wall, but installed said it was a typical switch for my setup. He couldn't figure out why I wasn't getting a signal either. Refused payment for his time, since he couldn't get it working.
We moved everything back to 110/119, and it scans and finds 600+ channels. Can't watch any of them, but they scan.
Is it possible that my setup is 'locked in' to only see 110/119? Installer said no, but what else explains why I can't get anything but 110/119.
Configuration is 4 novas, dish 500 with pro quad lnb. Linksys Wireless N switch, all novas running on powerline 85Mb ethernet.
When going to setup for 91W Nimiq1 I get a pretty decent S & Q (70 & 82). I go to scan channels and goes through all 32 pages, it doesn't find a single channel.
Do you have to change the menu option from Dish Network to Bell Express? Are there any menu options besides the sat info that I should change?

**pmhudson** · July 7th, 2009

I had to use a 31 inch dish to pull in 91.Never did get 82. Also I am not a big fan of the dishpro plus lnb's. I only use legacy singles,with a good quality switch. My advice to you is: find a used Captive Works cw 600 premium or the regular, to aim your dish. They have a built-in sat finder feature that has a tone to let you know when you hit your bird. take a small portable t.v. up on the roof with the cw box and aim the dish. In no time at all you will be able to hit any sat you want. There is nothing on d/n right now for the nova so you are pretty much stuck with 91. Load the u43 file with the 151 bin and scan 91. That's my 2 cents worth. Works for me. You have to confirm a lock on the sat. If you don't see any red dots (cw box) or green bars (nova) then simply switch transponders until you see the dots or bars.

mcse4u · July 7th, 2009

I'm not investing any more money on equipment at this time. If I can't get it working with what I have, then I guess I'll have to wait it out, and rent more DVD's from the library. Thanks for the advice.

goobenet · July 7th, 2009

When you were trying to aim the dish, how did you do it? I would suggest taking a short run of coax out and a Tv with the nova. Thus bypassing the switch. With a quad output LNB, you shouldn't need a seperate switch (nless you have more than 4 ports in your house, then there might be a switch hiding somewhere). Hook the nova directly into the LNB and use the Nova as the satfinder. Like you said it found it, but couldn't find channels which leads me to believe it's something in the switch config. What used to be 119 (91) should be on port 1 and 110 (82) on port 2. This has to be correct before you scan for channels. Unless they wired it up differently, this is how it should work. It'd really help if you could get to that switch and identify it.