Nfusion and IKS (explained) - ABA DSS

**grasshopper** · January 7th, 2008

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There is lot of roumour going on if IKS is secured. Well shortly it is - and it is not. Just to give you few points on security with IKS:

1) IKS runs on centralized server that is a share point to servers which relay on this server. Your box is connecting too relays not the IKS Server.

2) IKS servers require UDP connection, not TCP. You can think of UDP as more secure but the real difference is that UDP packets travell one way (request is send from the receiver and then fullfiled by the server but there is no guarantee on data delivery of the packet from the server meaning that server drops the link with requestor as soon as it get it - it may deliver it later on however). The relay - is really a relay in UDP sense - (request can be made to one server but another server may fullfil it). Since there is no constant connection beeing open it is almost impossible to catch the very small (tidy) request and data travel from boxes to IKS.

3) IKS Servers accept only connection that has receiver id attached to the data package. No request from PC or other device can be made -this really gives much trouble in idenfying what is the content of the IKS package or intercepting it. I am not sure it the package it self is beeing encrypted somehow - but it will be easy to do if not. With encrypted packages even if someone itercepts it - taht would become useless.

4) For the providers to hunt you down they will need to know servers that nFusion boxes are connecting too. To find out, they will have to intercept the traffic from the centralized server whcih is off-shore (but hard to do explained before). I could not locate the servers by looking at routers access logs - I can only find out the servers it is connecting too --- and surprisingly i saw different connections (rotating relays) --- which gives me positives vibes about IKS.

5) All the providers can do is to look that your connecetion is making some request or data that is beeing transfered from a server has been idenfied as suspicios - but before they can even take an action upon it - the new server can be set and there you go another round of finding it out will be needed. This is time consuming and very very tidious and expensive task (not that the providers can not afford it). Even if the provider proves that the traffic from your internet connection is suspicios - they can not prove that it came from your requests from your receiver (they can trace back anything beyong your router/modem).

6) "Dave" did go to small people on the first occasion of IKS (more then 10 years ago -- ohhh yes do not be surprised IKS is nothing new --- it has been used back in Dave days computer was needed that will serve ready descrambled packages to the receiver using waffer boards - card emulators) - but "dave" had physical prove to against small people (hardware needed to make this function) - unlinke today (no additional hardware needed - so hard to tell if you are really wrongdoing something).

The final decision is always up to you to make. I do not wan to sound encouraging or disapointing - use your own judgment - do lots of reading - before you venture into somethign that may give you chills.

IKS doesn't mean you won't go down just that you come back up much faster.

If your hooked up to the net with your nfusion and you come home and turn your box on it will tell you if there is a new update and give you the option to update your box with the click of the remote button.

If your watching tv on stand alone (emu ON) and it goes down you simply click menu+user settings+emu off and IKS will kick in when you exit to tv.

99.9% of the time its IKS all the way.

I don't worry about anyone getting my ip from the nfusion iks server as it does not collect anything other than an error log saying what failed.

Most have not noticed that IKS and Files are on 2 different servers and are ported to 1 that you are connected to.
That should be enough for people to guess there is more than 1 server at work here. I think last count there was 5 ported thru a chain across the web to 1 point of access. That point of access can be changed with a click of a button. So what if someone gets the main click boom somewhere else we go lol.

Anyone that wants to can easily run a proxy on your system and your bouncing around the world anyways.

Now to the whole sending keys things. The iks does not at anytime send keys to your box.(illegal) It does how ever send data to your box so your box knows what to do to get itself going. Kind of like a A.I coding. No not any of the pyro team will explain that part for good reason. Why give up a trade secret lol. I hope this helps some of you out with what your wanting to know.

Hope this helps

GH

Mr. Perfect · January 7th, 2008

thanks alot for the info

**RagingBull** · January 7th, 2008

Great stuff. I am sure this will spark a furious debate once again.

**RagingBull** · January 7th, 2008

By the way I agree it definitely still goes down. It was down yesterday and it is down right now as I write this. Yesterday was for about 45 minutes. Today down for more than an hour right now.

dufta · January 7th, 2008

ok i have not gone down yet ? are you dn or bev? and yes it still does just allows for a quick update

**RagingBull** · January 7th, 2008

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Originally Posted by dufta

ok i have not gone down yet ? are you dn or bev? and yes it still does just allows for a quick update

It came back up was off for about an hour.

**RagingBull** · January 7th, 2008

Im on DN. Was also reported down for others.

**Surrealone** · January 7th, 2008

All I can say is that is the best info I have seen yet... And also Thanks for the STEP by STEP for newbies GH. If we can just get the IPPVR working that would be great.

Thank you Thank you

**BBMACk** · January 7th, 2008

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Originally Posted by surrealone

All I can say is that is the best info I have seen yet... And also Thanks for the STEP by STEP for newbies GH. If we can just get the IPPVR working that would be great.

Thank you Thank you

Its actually very easy to install, start your own thread and id be happy to help...

**Surrealone** · January 7th, 2008

sorry miss understanding I was not asking for help. And that would be hijacking a thread
But thank you for the offer.

sodusme · January 8th, 2008

I still say why take the chance? Is a few more "up" days of t.v. really worth it? And the only thing I would refute about this writeup is the use of a proxy. How are you going to use a proxy when the i.p server that the box dials up to is hard coded inside the box. In other words you have to have access to a browser window in order to enter a proxy into the url or into the browser settings. Merely putting a proxy into your i.e or firefox settings is not going to do sh!t for your nfusion box. Since it sounds like when you set it up it grabs a different i.p then your computer by way of dhcp.

dufta · January 8th, 2008

Why take the chance and come here? Id be willing to bet my left testy that IKS is the future and there wont be anything else on the market in 6 months. either IKS or nothing

sodusme · January 8th, 2008

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Originally Posted by dufta

Why take the chance and come here? Id be willing to bet my left testy that IKS is the future and there wont be anything else on the market in 6 months. either IKS or nothing

Man I hope not....

dufta · January 9th, 2008

This current dynamic ECM is only the first phase of the entire ECM. Right now they are cganing every few days over the next six months beverly is trying to get that down to once to twice an hour. There will not be any solution other than IKS that will be able to defeat that.

angelwing · January 24th, 2008

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Originally Posted by grasshopper

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Hi Grasshopper!
I think this is the most detailed review on nFusion I can find on the net. One question. I have WiFi wireless connection at my home. Would that work for wireless connection to nFusion?
Thanks
Angelwing

**ricknsusan** · January 24th, 2008

thanks for the great info gh. BTW mine has not gonr down yet. i got it in dec.

**restorerancient** · January 27th, 2008

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Originally Posted by angelwing

Hi Grasshopper!
I think this is the most detailed review on nFusion I can find on the net. One question. I have WiFi wireless connection at my home. Would that work for wireless connection to nFusion?
Thanks
Angelwing

yes , wifi will work great but you will need a gaming adapter , the buffalo and the d link have all been tested to work great.the gaming adapters were made to let people play video games against anybody in the world through the internet.they are available anywhere computers or video games, playstation,
xbox , or wii are sold.

regged · January 28th, 2008

Guys, this is my first post. Since I thought it was important to inform people, that they can use PROXIES to connect to the servers. If you feel "unsafe" using a direct link, just use a proxy. Furthermore, from my understanding.. connecting your box to download code is not illegal. It's only illegal if you use the code to access content. And there is NO WAY of knowing, if you are using the content or not.. without having someone psychically monitor your home.

That's my two cents.

Coolsat still no bin, that is terrible..

ronald22 · January 28th, 2008

I'll give you back your 2 cents. There is no way to use a proxy if you want to receive data. You can somewhat hide your IP when going out into the net but there is no way to hide the IP for incomming packets.
Second... there is no reason at all to connect to an IKS except to get control words that unscramble pay TV. I would love to see the look the judge gives you when the court hears your very lame defense.

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regged · January 29th, 2008

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Originally Posted by ronald22

I'll give you back your 2 cents. There is no way to use a proxy if you want to receive data. You can somewhat hide your IP when going out into the net but there is no way to hide the IP for incomming packets.
Second... there is no reason at all to connect to an IKS except to get control words that unscramble pay TV. I would love to see the look the judge gives you when the court hears your very lame defense.

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First learn how proxy servers work,
How the proxy server works

Secondly, downloading "control words" is not illegal. I would love a Judge to prove to me why, downloading DATA aka INFORMATION is illegal. Last I checked there is no COPYRIGHT on "control words". Maybe I should stop going to law school, because I am sure this isn't a "lame defense".