Why is Nfusion the way to go - ABA DSS

altazink · April 7th, 2009

i also agree....IKS will be the way for a while....
also i want to say yes nfusion can support a cardless hack.

now who do i think will crack N3..... I think Nfusion and here is why

-The other non working companies have a problem.... the signal is encryped.... now they have to decode it.....they dont know the question or the answer just that they have a problem.

But.... NFUSION is different because of IKS
They transmit the current decryption code from a working card every time the card changes, they transmit a new code..... its kind of like they are being given the answer to the problem. But they just dont know what the question is that creates the answer........

however the more answers that are transmitted the more they can figure out the question.... kind of like trying to hack a wep key.....and we all know it can be done as long as you have enough packets of data you can find the common denominator.

Here is an example..... if i said _ _ , _ _, _ _, _ _ and asked what is the correct numbers for the blanks before it change in 5 mins. If its numerical only you have 9 possibilities for each blank, 100 possabilities for each section(counting 00), which means 100,000,000 total possibilities before it changes in 5 mins and you have to do it again...if alphaneumeris it changes to 1,785,793,904,896....wow that sucks and good luck.....
BUT
If i asked what is the correct numbers for the blanks before it change in 5 mins after the last set of numbers, and right now it is 01,02,03,05, and 5 mins later it is 03,05,07,11, and 5 mins later it is 07,11,15,23. what is _ _ , _ _, _ _, _ _ ?
You might be inclined to look at how the numbers are changing... and find the difference between them...is multiply by 2 and add 1...so you can predict them up until it rolls over and you would have to find out if it drops the one and starts again, starts on a calculated number or the next prime number or the same number....and then once you know that... you can set your program to change in the same way and then voila youre the one who cracked n3......... but at least they have a place to start and not a just a shot in the dark.....

But when everyone is N3 and they lock down the subscription nfusion is using and turn it off.........
Nfusion will take their data... and find the common denominator and use it to keep sending their IKS to keep their box working. (which may be why nfusion was down for a week just recently and they just did this)....and the beauty....they dont even have to broadcast keys from the card dirently once they have a working code generator...so there is no locking on to find the subscription for bell.

Why would they release the code they use to hack it... sending out working IKS is good enough for most of us.... but if they ever crack down on IP's and servers or find a way to crack IKS...........you can be sure nfusion will be first one to release the modified bin that again keeps their users up and going.

....Id go out and get an nfusion if you dont already have one.

basscat02 · April 7th, 2009

No thank you

altazink · April 7th, 2009

Oh right sorry....youre a neosat fan..... they are still working on their iks though... although its very promising for a reciever too.

basscat02 · April 7th, 2009

No problem, yes I am a Neosat fan but mostly I dislike the Nfusion, which by the way I do own one, but I do not like anything about it

dufta · April 7th, 2009

the coders has said that should N3 cardless be possible they will release standalone.

this is by far my fav set of stb's

there are better pvr's, for now

**jaycool** · April 7th, 2009

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Originally Posted by basscat02

No problem, yes I am a Neosat fan but mostly I dislike the Nfusion, which by the way I do own one, but I do not like anything about it

Why do you dislike the Nfusion? Also what makes you a Neosat fan?

basscat02 · April 7th, 2009

Nf has very few features, minimal power, poor picture quality, no cardless ability, just to mention a few. The Neosat has the most power and most features on the market, greta picture, cardless and IKS ability, also just to mention a few

**jaycool** · April 7th, 2009

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Originally Posted by basscat02

Nf has very few features, minimal power, poor picture quality, no cardless ability, just to mention a few. The Neosat has the most power and most features on the market, greta picture, cardless and IKS ability, also just to mention a few

Most of statement about the Neosat is true which is great when ever it works! I own both, but every time I get exicited about the Pro2000, they let you down again. As for as the nfusions features, I think the video is good, and features, Have you checked out the HD nfusion? I like both receivers, the only reason Im in favor of the nfusion is its up more than any other receiver. What good is the cardless feature going to do when n3 hits? You are a good mod and I respect your opnions, I hope you do mine. jay

basscat02 · April 7th, 2009

I appreciate your posting and your opinions, it helps me learn. Thanks

altazink · April 7th, 2009

It does have cardless ability it is just not utilized......much like neosat has iks ability but it is not utilized right now but they are trying to get it implemented... As for power ,,,it can power multiple lnb's adequately as well as has an optional straight through for a secondary reciever.
as for video... the componant video will display just as good of a resolution only thing better is HD reciever which nfusion also makes a currently working one for bev.
there is a lack of customization of the screens and epg in a lot of ways as compared to other recievers but to most that isnt a deciding factor, it provides enough options to allow for most users to customize it to suit their set up and yet be simple enough for the newbie user, they also want one that works and nfusion has proven its reliability more than any other reciever as shown as of late.

dufta · April 8th, 2009

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Originally Posted by basscat02

Nf has very few features, minimal power, poor picture quality, no cardless ability, just to mention a few. The Neosat has the most power and most features on the market, greta picture, cardless and IKS ability, also just to mention a few

picture quality on the neo is better than the NOVA and SOLARIS but NOT the PHOENIX OR HD

the neo has 750ma that foes beat out the NOVA and SOLARIS but again the PHOENIX and HD both have 1000ma

no cardless but that is by choice and when N3 hits it is a mooot point. if nFusion still refuses to put out BINS IF/WHEN an N3 cardless fix is found that will not be good for the company.

nfusion can not be touched for uptime period, the IKS on the neo has mcuh work to be done. PVR is OK.

basscat02 · April 8th, 2009

Thanks for the info guys, also appreciate your opinions. As I said earlier, we all learn from these posts. I like the Neosat over the Nfusion, some of you are the opposite. Hopefully we will all be happy if both units break the code.

altazink · April 8th, 2009

to each their own .....but its better that way (everyone having their own preference) .....competition means healthy prices.

richiemiami · April 11th, 2009

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Originally Posted by dufta

picture quality on the neo is better than the NOVA and SOLARIS but NOT the PHOENIX OR HD

the neo has 750ma that foes beat out the NOVA and SOLARIS but again the PHOENIX and HD both have 1000ma

no cardless but that is by choice and when N3 hits it is a mooot point. if nFusion still refuses to put out BINS IF/WHEN an N3 cardless fix is found that will not be good for the company.

nfusion can not be touched for uptime period, the IKS on the neo has mcuh work to be done. PVR is OK.

I install these boxes on a daily basis and I can tell you this much the Nfusion HD is the hardest box out there for mulitple sats multiple nfusion hds installs. They do not like dp34s only dp44s so don't tell me they have a 1000 ma output

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basscat02 · April 12th, 2009

No they do not, in fact , they are the least powerful units on the market. But we allow everyone to speak their minds. The picture of the nf HD or any other unit is not as good as the Neo, period. The low line units do not have cardless ability. The company provides "zero" support for the ones that do. As I said, the Neo beats the nf in all areas, hands down

**jaycool** · April 12th, 2009

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Originally Posted by basscat02

No they do not, in fact , they are the least powerful units on the market. But we allow everyone to speak their minds. The picture of the nf HD or any other unit is not as good as the Neo, period. The low line units do not have cardless ability. The company provides "zero" support for the ones that do. As I said, the Neo beats the nf in all areas, hands down

I have no problems with the power factor on the nfusion. I also agree that the picture quality on the Neo is great except you are usually looking at the same picture sometimes nothing moves! you get a lot of still "shots"lol!

basscat02 · April 12th, 2009

The question was directly to my attention by you I think, why did I prefer the Neo over the nf, and it was presented clearly. I rest my case. I do not speak for anyone but myself. The Neo remains the better of the two, no contest. Your question was answered as asked, not as it presently performs, and , again, the Neo is a better receiver, period.

dufta · April 12th, 2009

It has nothing to do with the power output.

There s an issues with them in the BIN's

you can test the output onthe units and see they are very cose to 1000ma.

I am not sure why you hvae a hard time installing the HD units as I hvae not mayb we should compare notes.

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Originally Posted by richiemiami

I install these boxes on a daily basis and I can tell you this much the Nfusion HD is the hardest box out there for mulitple sats multiple nfusion hds installs. They do not like dp34s only dp44s so don't tell me they have a 1000 ma output

r

**RagingBull** · April 12th, 2009

Most Neos sit in the closet and most Nfusions are used from what I have seen. People get tired of waiting for Neo to get IKS working properly. It has been over a year now with the promises.

Except for the way the PVR works I see little wrong with Nfusion HD. Even the PVR works fairly well on USB but requires more refinement in the controls. They could take a lesson from the CNX DUO. That is the way PVR should be done.

I know there are lots of Nfusion haters out there but you have to give therm their due. They have the only reliable IKS system on N3 and they were the first to do it.
Their biggest problem as I see it is a lack of motivation when it comes to fixing other problems. The IPVR has never worked properly for most people and they seem to be slow in responding to consumer complaints about deficiencies in their product focusing almost solely on making sure IKS works well.

I think the people that choose not to do true FTA are wise to always have multiple boxes from a variety of manufacturers. Your Neo might be in the closet now but the next best thing 6 months from now. Same thing goes with Nfusion or other receivers. Best to have multiple solutions.

dufta · April 12th, 2009

So I wil disagree on that. owning a neo, I prefe the phoenix and the HD unit over th neo. much more vivd JMO.

As for cardless it is a moot point with N3 comming down as it is. nFusion always has and always will continue to support their units. still to date there is no other stb that can touch them for uptime.

as for neo support. That is funny, the most stabe file they have ever had is the 1.1 that was not even put out by V2 but D1, IKS support is spotty at best.

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Originally Posted by basscat02

No they do not, in fact , they are the least powerful units on the market. But we allow everyone to speak their minds. The picture of the nf HD or any other unit is not as good as the Neo, period. The low line units do not have cardless ability. The company provides "zero" support for the ones that do. As I said, the Neo beats the nf in all areas, hands down