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June 15th, 2009
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IP Address Alone Insufficient To Identify Pirate, Court Rules!!!
Not directly related to FTA, but this could change how the way IKS is viewed. At least, in Italy anyway
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Anti-piracy groups and lawyers across Europe are unmovable - they say that since they logged a copyright infringement from a particular IP address, the bill payer is responsible. Now a court in Rome has decided that on the contrary, an IP address does not identify an infringer, only a particular connection.
Right across Europe, many countries are being targeted by anti-piracy evidence gathered by outfits such as Swiss-based Logistep. After tracking alleged infringers, legal action is taken to force ISPs to hand over the identities of the person who pays the bill on the particular account linked to the allegedly infringing IP address. Lawyers operating in tandem with companies like Logistep, such as ACS:Law in the UK, insist that since they have an IP address, this automatically means that the bill payer is the copyright infringer or at least liable for the infringement.
Italy, which has seen its fair share of misery inflicted by Logistep and its partners Peppermint Jam, now has reason to be optimistic that these cynical, profit-motivated operations can be dampened down.
Although anyone with a basic knowledge of the Internet could come to the same conclusion given 30 seconds in a quiet room, the Tribunale Ordinario di Roma has now ruled that an IP address alone does not identify an infringer. According to a Punto Informatico report, on this basis the court kicked out a complaint against an individual accused of copyright infringement.
The District Attorney and judge said that the mere ownership of a connection from where an infringement took place is not sufficient to establish the identity of an infringer or liability of a defendant, especially since other people could have committed the alleged infringement.
In the UK right now, as many as 5,000 or more Internet bill payers are receiving letters through their doors from lawyers ACS:Law claiming that their Internet connection has been used to commit copyright infringement. TorrentFreak is contact with many letter recipients and we are convinced that many people are being wrongfully accused for a multitude of reasons. Interestingly ACS:Law say that they do not necessarily claim that the bill payer committed the infringement, yet they still make threats and demand settlements for around £600 from that very individual.
They do this because they do not know and cannot prove who carried out the infringement, and simply hope that the bill payer feels responsible for what has happened and pays the settlement.
If it wasn’t clear before to some, it should be pretty clear now. As far as evidence goes, an IP address alone does not identify an infringer, merely a connection, and in the absence of additional evidence - such as that collected following an examination of the alleged infringer’s PC - it means little on its own.
Thank you Italy for your common sense.
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Re: IP Address Alone Insufficient To Identify Pirate, Court Rules!!!
I should move to Europe.
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Re: IP Address Alone Insufficient To Identify Pirate, Court Rules!!!
Heh, indeed. Haven for pirates?
Anyway, for those too lazy to read, this statement says it all:
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As far as evidence goes, an IP address alone does not identify an infringer, merely a connection, and in the absence of additional evidence - such as that collected following an examination of the alleged infringer’s PC - it means little on its own.
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Re: IP Address Alone Insufficient To Identify Pirate, Court Rules!!!
If Echo*, with all of their money can't secure their signal, how am I supposed to secure my WiFi signal from hackers who are using it to download .bins and to even use it for IKS?
I think my neighbor is running an Nfusion box, but I just don't have the tech knowledge to know how these wireless router things work and how to secure them.
I only use my router so I can use my laptop and my iPhone to access the internet. 
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Re: IP Address Alone Insufficient To Identify Pirate, Court Rules!!!
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If Echo*, with all of their money can't secure their signal, how am I supposed to secure my WiFi signal from hackers who are using it to download .bins and to even use it for IKS?
I think my neighbor is running an Nfusion box, but I just don't have the tech knowledge to know how these wireless router things work and how to secure them.
I only use my router so I can use my laptop and my iPhone to access the internet. 
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if you read all the very fine print of "terms and conditions" from your ISP, you will find out that you are responsible for ALL activity that occurs under your IP address, regardless of how its accessed.....
if you are paranoid about hackers accessing your wireless network, or "dont know" how to secure your network, then dont use one, simple as that....
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Re: IP Address Alone Insufficient To Identify Pirate, Court Rules!!!
Or get somebody who knows about networking to set up a secured one for you. It should be simple enough. I use a MAC filter.
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Re: IP Address Alone Insufficient To Identify Pirate, Court Rules!!!
if its a newer pouter then you have built in protection thats pretty good connect to you router and make sure its all working and set up right it usally does this when you run the disk that came with your router even my net gear 606 is sset up with extra securty just for my laptop and do as i did just to make sure have a friend come over and try to hack you ill bet he cant if you router is set up right and tere are alot of apps for more secutity out there real cheap if not freeware
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June 16th, 2009
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Re: IP Address Alone Insufficient To Identify Pirate, Court Rules!!!
You guys fail at reading sarcasm.
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Re: IP Address Alone Insufficient To Identify Pirate, Court Rules!!!
MAC filter indeed.. think of yourself as a thumb-tack on the WWW.
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Re: IP Address Alone Insufficient To Identify Pirate, Court Rules!!!
I passed up a special invite in 2002 to live in the Caribbean. Hmm
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Re: IP Address Alone Insufficient To Identify Pirate, Court Rules!!!
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You guys fail at reading sarcasm.
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i understood his sarcasm 100%.....
i was letting him know that his "so called excuse" would not hold up very well in a court of law.....standing there saying "but, it wasnt me, it was my neighbour" wont get you anywhere, except a guilty verdict.....playing stupid doesnt work against the law.....
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