nagravision 3(N3)what is it?-progress reports-channel outage list & more - Page 12 - ABA DSS

oplassman · January 30th, 2009

Thanks for the info. I guess we all new it was coming, its out of our hands for now!!!!!!

**RagingBull** · January 30th, 2009

Maybe sooner than what Charlie said to shareholders but the fact is that people still have not received their cards and Charlie cannot go full scale on N3 until this happens. If he truly believes N3 is secure then N3 will happen quickly after all the cards are out. If not then it will happen slowly so he costs the pirate business more this way.

**just4ufolks** · January 30th, 2009

Thx guyz that's a gr8 feedback/input and this sure keeps the members informed...again stay rt here with ABA ur one stop FTA resource ctr and swift UPDATES releases as they become available...appears that the TRANSITION continues...

woowee · February 7th, 2009

Interesting stuff, thanks.

**marco598** · February 15th, 2009

thanks ................................................

bluethunder · February 15th, 2009

what receivers are mpeg4 compatible? thanks

**website_vandal** · February 15th, 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluethunder

what receivers are mpeg4 compatible? thanks

HD receivers will be mpeg4 compliant.

**creativegenius** · February 18th, 2009

What is Nagravision 3?

Nagravision 3 is a version of Satellite Encryption technology introduced by the Kudelski Group in its latest attempt to block the underground community using modified hardware and software to descramble content offered by various providers.

Recently, popular satellite television provider B3V launched Nagravision 3 encryption on their service offering. The new security measure required the replacement of prevision Nagravision 2 based conditional access modules (CAMs) on all subscriber equipment in order to dicipher programming.

Echo* also plans to deploy Nagravision3 technology among its U.S. Based DN subscriber network in the last quarter of 2008 with full implementation to begin in the first quarter of 2009.

Shortly after the Nagravision 2, it did not take members of the hacking community long to work around the newer encryption technology. Soon just about every model of modified receiever and card programmer were able to circumvent the outdated technology and were again wathcing unencrypted programming without paying for it, which is illegal in most jurisdictions.

While Nagravision 3 has been existent and relatively unchallenged in other markets, the recent migration to Nagravion 3 on B3V resulted in an increased effort to cirumvent the new technology.

The Nfusion box (to date) remains the only Free-to-air satellite receiver to receive widespread Nagravision 3 B3V content.

Through a process of placing an emulated image of the new card and its decryption ability of an client, the decryption keys are disseminated to other systems through an internet connection to the server. While this method allows for the viewing of some content, it does not provide for the viewing of ALL content.

The future of Nagravision 3 encryption technology is currently uncertain. Many in the underground community have made claims that the new technology has already been cracked and that when DN takes the plunge and implements the technology, a worldwide release of a fix will be released.

Three versions of Nagravision are in common use for digital satellite television, known as Nagravision, Nagravision Cardmagedon, and Nagravision Aladin. Nagravision Cardmagedon and Aladin are often confused with each other. Nagravision Cardmagedon is however, a complicated combination of Nagravision Aladin and Mediaguard SECA 2 encryption. The decryption unit is either integrated into a receiver, available as a conditional access module (CAM), or as one of many encryption schemes supported on a CAM emulator. Nagravision has been adopted all over the world as a conditional access system, with providers like Virgin Media in the UK and Dream Satellite TV Philippines (on Nagravision 1), Polsat of Poland, Digital+ Spain (now on Nagravision 3), TV Cabo Portugal, Premiere Germany, Digi TV Romania, Bell TV and Look Communications Canada and Dish Network USA (On Nagravision A). Digital+ and Top Up TV are the only providers using Nagravision Cardmagedon (and also Nagravision Aladin) after its adoption in March 2005 and 2008 respectively.

The original Nagravision 1 is now almost obsolete after it was originally compromised in 1999, although Dream Satellite maintain relative security by changing keys several times throughout the day, causing great inconvenience to unauthorized viewers. The Nagravision Aladin providers have been confronting the issue of satellite signal piracy and smart card piracy, since the system was publicly compromised in summer 2005.

At first, security of the system was regained, with software revisions, manipulation of the Nagravision encryption algorithm, along with the phasing out of older cards, like the ROM101, ROM102, ROM103 in USA and ROM110,ROM120,ROM130 in Europe, in favour of the newer ROM142/ROM180. Card hackers have, however, continued to compromise the encryption system, with continued software and key releases being made available to the public. Software emulation of the Nagravision system has been implemented in many Free-To-Air Satellite receivers, allowing viewing.

As of this writing ... the latest version of Nagravision, nagra3, has not yet been compromised.
Now you know ...

Creative Genius

bignikcy · February 20th, 2009

hey so that means all the international channels that moved to 118 cant be watched at the moment unless with dn subscription (rite or wrong)

thanks that nagra stuff made sense

**creativegenius** · February 20th, 2009

That is correct ...

Creative Genius

Meme127 · February 21st, 2009

Thanks for the information. I never say die we thought n2 was going to be the end but here we are so who knows. Good luck everyone. Still having fun as it is.

**sahil786** · February 21st, 2009

how close are you from breaking the code?

**odissseusss** · February 21st, 2009

We dont brake codes here and never will.

Mikemall · February 23rd, 2009

Is it true the guy who invented it named it after his wife?

Nag--ravision - because she only gave him conditional access

ehall77 · February 23rd, 2009

The following messege was sent to me by the guy I purchased my Viewsat from. I can't verify the content so was hoping someone here might. At the very least it makes for interesting reading.
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Now to start with alot of rumors of coders waiting n3 is fully activated into the stream from each uplink transmission center owned by echo star Inc. I and many others’s underground believe this is false.

The only reason all coders working in the FTA industry now have not introduced new codes for any FTA unit now is because they have nothing to work with. None of the n3 encryption information they need have been given to them as of yet. Why?

Well because until a (hacker) or a (group) of hacker's crack's the (G3) card used here in N/A the coders will not even be able to start to write any codes.

Question; so how long will it take?

I wonder; well the question really is will the information be leaked as it was before? Good question and I guess that might depend on how much money one or more companies are willing to pay. Or if the info could or will be leaked out again, and if! And I say this is every unlikely as the (SI) department is watching and guarding this info with their lives.

And might even kill to keep it!

It possible it will never be leaked out, or cracked in the next two years. Why so hard? n1 and n2 were hacked? Why not n3?

Now the best answer to that is because of past (hackers) themselves, the number #1 in Europe has been hired by the company that owns the makers of nagra3 encryption system.

Who is that you ask? Well let’s uses alittle history to answer these questions.

He is Chris Tarnovsky the founding member of the (Black Hat's) a German hacker group that showed many of the worlds hackers just how to break into the security systems of the cards themselves. And now he has been hired by the same company he hacked before, and you know the first thing they wanted to know is (How he hacked their cards).

And what could be gone to (stop hackers) in the future, this is one every good reason hackers in Spain/England and the Eastern Block's have not been able to break into the new Video Guard/Europe codes for the last two years now.

Now then video guards codes used in Europe are different than the codes used here in the states with bev/dn, but the info needed still remains the same. NDS took 6 months (trying) to break into the n2 cards themselves it was until tarnovsky was paid 6 figures that he broke the cards down in less than a week, which blew away NDS big-time. After that all the info needed was gotten from the cards used in a month and coders then used the MAPCALL codes to write the bin files needed. This took about 5 to 6 months to complete. Now coders have several more tools to use in writing codes, this makes it alot faster and easier to write codes now, this is why we have new bin files released in matter of hours not month's or week's nor even days. Most files today are wrote on a complier within minutes and released to the general internet of (broadcaster) within 2 to 4 hours.

Now let me give you alittle history lesson "Rupert Murdoch" owns dtv and (NDS) a subsidiary of the media group news corp. a company setup for the purpose of hacking dn n2 cards, setup in 1999 this in Israeli for the purpose of hacking and releasing the codes over the internet. Why?

Well because he and "Charlie Ergen" the owner of DN tried to merge both their companies twice once in 1997, and again in 2000 and the FCC forced them to stay apart. Why? Because of what many call "Capitalism” or we might call "free market". Guess the government was afraid they would have something called a "MONOPLY" yelpers just like the game, where one company rules the whole industry all over the N/A market. Like the steel industries where in the 1880 here in the US before the feds hacked them apart into alot of little company’s so they could not control the whole north American market and set prices to whatever they wish.

Now since dtv and dn have been in a lawsuit since 2002, which is just now in a federal court in California last month over this very subject. Dtv and dn have been fighting between there selves. This is back to the reason Dtv hacked and released the n2 codes to stab dn right in the back. Why? Well because Rupert Murdoch does not want DN to have a greater market share of satellite tv industry in the US and that pretty much says it all.

Now back to who writes Nagra codes? A company called Kudelski Group owns Nagravision they are the producers of the Nagra 3 codes, and have invented all 3 of the Nagra codes used in the N/A market since dn/echo star started in the US.

Now what’s been going on in the past week?

Well since Christmas week (all) DTH Satellite uplink centers have been broadcasting both codes at the same time, yes n2/n3 codes. This has some good points to it, meaning that each new (G3) card has both accesses (CW) both (public) and (private) codes for both sets of encrypting the EMMs and CAMs. Coders can use this very small amount of known information to help start a solution on coding eliminators or better known as (FTA) Receivers.
Although I'm absolutely positive that until the private (CW) codes are known the coders are not going to be able to current vent the security encryption of Nagra 3 unless the hackers are successful in peeling away the 3 extra layers of silicone security chips using a powerful electron microscope and several different acids and lasers first until they get to the final precious bottom 3 layers of the Kudelski chip where all the precious codes are hidden. This is the part where only the best hackers (engineers) have the ability to do this type of work.

So please members do not think for one minute that any “back yard” computer “guru” hacker can break this type of security system, I’m sorry it just ain’t going to happen. EVER

So what some of us do know is that without Chris Tarnovsky techniques that allow him to break open chip cards that block access to pay TV chains the whole world would still be without paid satellite tv. Is there hope for us yes! ofcourse it is always possible out of the hundreds of labs setup in different countries hackers are working on this problem now.

But remember they have to have several things, first access to (G3) cards, unissued cards open and clean meaning; cards that have not been imbedded with maintenance access codes, and user access codes used to track the customer uses of this system, PPV Events, PPV Movies, Porn and so on. This is very important and requires someone from the inside of the manufacturing department, of the (SI) department itself. But this is not likely to happen with that amount of screening done by the company’s for their personal. And that each person has to allow the company into their lives, banking records, and life styles.

So how long will it take before any group of coders have a fix for n3, well depending on the amount of info on the new (G3) cards they might have to run on a complier for several days, or using (banks of compliers) for several weeks. It’s still unknown the amount of new process in the map codes used on these new chips. Estimate run all over the place so nobody actually knows for sure, best guess is 6 months to a year before the info needed becomes a new file for release.

So what is the FTA manufacturing doing about this?

Some are still under lawsuits now brought by echo star and dn and may not be doing anything at all, but again it is possible some have already hired hackers or paid hackers to break into the G3 encryption systems and this is where we are now. And I would bet you a hundred to a dime that’s a 1000+1 odds that “if and when these codes” are broken and released on the internet we all will know it the same day. And on that day I bet the coders will start working on the solutions to n3 problem A.S.A.P

So until the whole of the internet is busting out with this info "HACK" we will be in the dark.

**creativegenius** · February 23rd, 2009

This exact info has been posted a few places ... some of it is accurate, some of it is total BS, while some if it is total unsubstantiated speculation.

Fun reading though ...

Creative Genius

**tomcat01** · February 23rd, 2009

c/p

BY THE mid-1990s, when still in his twenties, computer hacker Christopher Tarnovsky already had the cyber equivalent of a PhD, a skill for pirating satellite technology and the nickname to match - the Big Gun.
Now 31, Tarnovsky, has emerged as a central figure in a civil lawsuit and a US Justice Department investigation in California, where the murky world of corporate espionage is attracting authorities' attention and turning into a public relations and legal nightmare for Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation.
News offshoot NDS, one of the satellite industry's top anti-piracy firms, hired Tarnovsky in 1997. Technology companies often lure talented hackers to help them build security-proof systems, figuring what better way to keep out thieves than to use their expertise to erect a more secure system. But employing the Big Gun has backfired on NDS, which last week received 31 subpoenas from the US Justice Department.
While working at NDS, Tarnovsky was known as Mike Smith, maintaining a fake identity so that he could frequent hacker hotbeds without revealing his cross-over into the corporate world. The Justice Department is investigating whether there is merit to allegations by Vivendi Universal and Echo-Star Communications - two of the biggest satellite dish providers - that Tarnovsky did not end his pirating ways after being hired.
NDS's rivals claim Tarnovsky continued to filter information to websites frequented by cyber hackers, enabling TV thieves to create false smart cards and, ultimately, to access pay TV free.
Over the years, a flood of counterfeit smart cards robbed Canal Plus of more than $1bn and eventually helped cost former chief executive Jean-Marie Messier his job. Canal Plus was among Vivendi's under-performing units that caused the board to lose confidence in Messier.
Vivendi recently pulled out of a civil suit filed against NDS after News agreed to buy a major stake in Vivendi's Italian pay TV unit. But the Justice Department continues to investigate NDS, led by chief executive Abraham Peled, and Tarnovsky.
The corporate spy received his early training in computer technology courtesy of the US Army, where he had top-secret clearance as a satellite communications specialist in the mid-1990s while posted in Germany. At the time, Germany was well known as a haven for hacker activity through the Kaos Computer Club.
Although Tarnovsky has never been charged with a crime, before secretly joining NDS he was thought to have been a programmer for a Canadian counterfeiter Ron Ereiser, who openly sold bogus smart cards that allowed users to bypass satellite TV providers and access the service for nothing.
NDS is standing by its man, supplying him with an attorney and insisting his only job has been to make their newest smart cards resistant to cyber attack. In a Press release, NDS said the charges were 'baseless and motivated by a desire on the part of certain persons and entities to cause harm to NDS and to thwart legitimate competition'.

its all the same thing with changes more and more over time ..

raen_rfm · February 23rd, 2009

Obviously the lynchpin to the entire FTA world is whether or not someone can crack the G3 card. Certainly you hear people say how difficult it is to do so requireing some delicate chemistry and even more expensive equipment, but nonetheless it is possible to hack or reverse engineer any digital system out there. Making that assumption, whether or not it happens depends on the risk vs. reward.

Lets look at both of those things. The reward is obvious, crack the system and you open the floodgates to a whole new wave of FTA boxes.

The risk, well most of these companies are already probably involved in some sort of litigation, which will probably in the long run be unsuccessful because the link between the fta box manufacturer and the coders cannot be easily established for obvious reasons, also these companies are in other countries that are not necessarily going to cooperate with a US based company like dn and echo. My estimation of the risk is fairly minimal for the fta box manufacturer so for them to dangle a big carrot in front of some disgruntled nagravision/echo/dn employee is really a no brainer, obviously this would have to be done by some sort of proxy so that any link could not be established between the fta box manufacturer and the potential turncoat at said employers.

Thinking that by doing background checks and analysing bank accounts etc will put a stop to that potential security leak is a fallacy. Somebody will jump at it, they just have to do their own risk/reward analysis. Offer someone who makes say 100k a year an amount like 5 million and they will go for it. They would have to work more than 50 years to make that kind of after tax money, and I don't think that is a difficult amount for the fta guys to come up with. Say the average box sells for $200, I'm sure they easily make 100% markup on these things, so they take home $100/box and that I'm sure is a low estimate, that's only 50,000 boxes to move to pay off the guy who delivered the golden egg for you. Move to some tropical country and sip drinks out of hollowed out pineapples for the rest of your life.

My personal opinion of this entire situation has nothing to do with the technology because I think it is much more fallable than people think, and I think it will boil down to simple human greed.

**just4ufolks** · March 4th, 2009

UPDATED
FYI
:: here is the list of channels that are effected due to N3 migration ::
(most current Asian channels/INDIANS)
N.a.g.r.a. 3 channels will not be back
if you want them,
then Subscribe

March 4th, 2009
c/p
These channels are
********...3...*******
576 ZeeSport
583 Radio City
584 Sahara Samay
585 Aajtak
586 HT
611 Zee TV
612 SET Max
613 TV Asia
614 SET Asia
617 Zee Cinema
618 B4U Music
619 B4U Movies
620 GEO
621 ARY
622 APUNJ
623 JGUJ
624 Sahara One
642 ART America
643 ART Movies
644 LBC America
645 Al Jazeera
646 ESC1
647 Nile Drama
648 FUTUR
649 DUBAI
659 Dubai sports
662 QTV
663 MUSIK
670 MBC
671 Melody Arabia
672 Dandana TV
673 Mazzika TV
674 INDMU
678 INDVI
716 Star+
718 Star1
744 PTV
745 GEOTV
746 ARIDI
747 ARYOW
762 Almasriyah
764 Future
765 Dubai Tv
767 ABUDA
768 Abu Dhabi
769 Dream 2
770 NBN
771 NORST
774 New Tv
776 Al Arabiya
778 NBN
779 NEWSAT
782 Iqraa TV
783 NORST
784 Euro news
791 B4u
794 AAjtak
795 SUN TV
796 KTV
799 GEMNI
800 SURYA
801 KAIRA
802 TEJA
803 UDAYA
804 NTV
805 RTV
806 CHNL1
807 TV9
811 MAATV
812 MH1
813 Headlines today
818 ATN
902 GEONW
903 AAGTV

**just4ufolks** · March 5th, 2009

Not too sure BUT read a clip that indicated that the channels were SELECTIVELY moved to another SAT (118.7 from 61.5W) and not N3..and hardware upgrade ( 30" n compatiable LNB ) may help in the matter...?
stay tuned folks..regardless they have been impacted..

c/p from another site::::: Update: looks like it's a targeted ecm affecting only certain intl channels... not N3... there's no ETA for fix at this point...did it..