nagravision 3(N3)what is it?-progress reports-channel outage list & more

[treelover]

I get an invalid website for that URL

[arboristman]

Originally Posted by arielbl

I was browsing the web, and found that this people xxxxxxxxxxx
and are advertising they have cracked N3 and have it available for most receivers. Have anyone tried it?

be careful.
if you don't see the files posted here,they don't exist.

happy Easter.

[RagingBull]

Originally Posted by arielbl

I was browsing the web, and found that this people xxxxxxxxxxx
and are advertising they have cracked N3 and have it available for most receivers. Have anyone tried it?

Let me guess. Its a pay site. LOL. Save your money pal. No one has N3 cracked and if they did and it was released you would see it here. Its a scam to get your money or your credit card info. Run in the other direction.

[63ranchero]

Originally Posted by arielbl

I was browsing the web, and found that this people xxxxxxxxxxx
and are advertising they have cracked N3 and have it available for most receivers. Have anyone tried it?

It's BS there are no fixes yet, notice they want you to pay up front even before you get to examine the files.

[oplassman]

As fossil has said this is mathmatics pure and smplethere will be a fi it's just a mater of time! On top of all of this Iwould guess that for every encryptor DN and Bev have there are 25 more out thre trying to decrpt those same codes. It's a mater of time guys and gales so sit back and buy the low end perscription for now and see how long it takes or as many have mentioned focuse on the true fta birds out there to get you buy!

[hatchetman1955]

Very good job keeping us going coders. Thank you very much!

[mikimbin]

N3 is NOT a new satellite, it is also NOT a new channel or a new receiver. N.A.G.R.A3, aka N3, is a new ecryption route the providers are switching to in order to combat signal piracy. Bev is already fully implemented and is currently non watchable except via IKS (without PPV and XXX). Dish has just recently begun implementation. And no matter what anyone says, what you read anywhere else or what your friend's brother in laws sisters monkey says:

There is NO FIX for N3 as of yet

DO NOT be fooled by tempting adds and forum subscriptions of any sort..trust only what you read here (www.abadss.com) we let you know what you need to know

Except for old timers, most of you never seen a nag swith.
There is no need to keep calling (I lost channel xxx, how do I get it back?
We all know the providers are switching to nag3. You will lose more & more
channels until they are all gone. You will get scrambled channels, sound but no video, ect. All that is to be expected during a switch, there is nothing you can do about it except making sure the channel loss is not on your end.

As time goes on, rumors will surface like you have nerver seen. You will also see many scams.

Example:
XXX site has the fix & is going to a pay site...
N3 was hacked by a monkey in China, he has the hack for sale, we need money..
The monkey opened a private site, only $500.98 to join..
Were working on a fix.
We almost have the fix, we just need to tweak it, but ran out of money..
Private site, fix will be released next week....
X hax bought the fix...
XX doesn't want to pay for the fix..
Your receiver won't work for N3, buy this one...
Keys will work...
My friend's uncle"s sisters, cousin has the fix, all channels wide open..
I think you get my drift...

Keep your old receivers, we don't know what will work & won't. If you have to have a new unit, buy a $100 one until this is over..

Looks Like sometime between June-August N3 Switch be complete so just prepare yourself.

Bev totally blacke out due to N3 there is no fix at this time.
DN International Channels (Indian,Pakistani,Chinese,Arabic etc) Are Moving To ANIK F3 (118.7)
THESE CHANNELS WILL ASLO BE SCAMBLED DUE TO THEIR N3 MIGRATION
There is presently NO FIX for N3
DN International & XXX Channels Have Moved to N3

HOPE THIS HELP FOR ALL YOU GUYS AND REMEMBER
ALLWAYS COME to www.abadss.com FOR ANY NEW INFORMATION.....

Long live free to air

[Bud_Alcor]

Great job

[Jacques d'Boeuf]

over the air HD antennas and a fta dish with a motor will give your TV a pretty good workout.

oh and free all the time/no freezing

[asg]

well said bud

[southoborder]

This is a c/p from s.ross. Don't know if he was the actual author, but nonetheless, the poster.

I think I've read something similar to this before but haven't been able to locate it.

Still a nice read about the current situation and our expectations

N1, N2 and N3 are Control Word(CW) encryption/decryption methods, they are not about the scrambling of a digital channel.
The way digital channels are scambled hasn't changed since the first digital channels started to be scrambled, it is an unbreakable method, in realtime, you could unscramble a digital channel if given the time, say 1 year for a 2 hour show, so not really a practical argument that it can be unscrambled by brute force, .
All providers use the same method of digital scrambing, DN, DTV, StarChoice, and Digital Cable companies, thats because it is unbreakable.
A digital channel is scramble by applying a random 8 byte number to it, this random number is called the Control Word(CW), it is saved and sent out to subscribers.
An 8 byte number has:
256 x 256 x 256 x 256 x 256 x 256 x 256 x 256
possible combinations, this is why it is unbreakable, , in realtime

So there is no change in scrambling between N2 and N3, what is changed is the way the provider sends out the 8 byte Control Word to all its subscribers.
There is one CW per channel and each CW is changed every 2 to 5 minutes on each channel, this is the problem with "realtime" brute force methods.
Each CW packet is small and sent out every second on its channel, has to sent out every second so you can channel surf, each time you select a channel the receiver must get the encrypted CW packet for that channel, decrypt it then apply it to the scrambled digital Video/Audio packets to unscramble them.
So the Control Word encryption/decryption is what the SmartCards(smartchips) are for, they never see any audio or video just the CW packets.

N1 is a method of CW decryption
N2 is a method of CW decryption
N3 is a method of CW decryption

A Smartcard only has 1 method inside, its either an N1, N2 or N3 card, there is no "cross decryption", no reason for it.
The encrypted CW packets are small, N2 and N3 packets can be sent out on all channels at the same time, they do not slow things down.
An N2 and N3 packet will have the same decrypted CW inside, for the same channel.
Once all subscribers to a channel have their N3 cards the encrypted N2 CW packets are dropped from that channel, so no N2 cards can get that channel, nor could any N2 based CW decryption software, i.e. FTAs or EMUs.

There is no way to reverse the math on a Control Word decryption, meaning you can see the packet numbers as encrypted and then see it decrypted, but can not duplicate the process to decrypt it simply by knowing the answer, the type math used in this type of decryption is used because it is not reversable.
So the only way to "break" a new CW decryption is to open a card that uses that decryption and get the info from inside, the reason you can decrypt DN N2 CW packets is because a DN N2 sub card was opened and the info inside was made public, FTA coders then applied that info to use in their "bins".

So the only way an FTA coder can make an N3 "bin" is if a "card hacker" can break into a DN N3 card and read the info inside.
"Card hacking" and coding are different things.
"Card hackers" are all about getting around the security of the cards hardware, getting the info from inside is a by product, it just proof that they did it.

So in general FTA coders are not "working on N3", they are "coders" not "card hackers", once/if an N3 card is opened, then and only then can the "coders" go to work.

[RagingBull]

Quite true. The actual card needs to be hacked first and that will be the biggest hurdle.

[andresxp3]

It looks like Latin(spanish) channels are gone, but only the ones on 110.W, not the ones in 119.w.

channels gone:
825, 828, 830, 831, 834, 835, 836, 838, 839, 840, 841, 842, 843, 845, .......

It seems weird that the ones on 119.w like 827, 833, 846....are not gone
can anybody check and confirm this please.

[hatchetman1955]

Ya it was fun while it lasted! Want to thank every one who supported us to get these channels. Have lots of hope that the team will figure something out.

[arboristman]

Originally Posted by arboristman

when will we have fixes?
we do not know.nor will know, until they are posted.

we thank you for your patience.


channels reported down due to N3 list:
(last updated 4/24/09)

bev (82w/91w)- ALL DOWN.

dn(72.5 & 77(e8) new birds started with n3 only) 77(e4) ALL DOWN.

dn (61.5/110/118/119/121/129/148)-
internationals down.
adult down.
some Latino down.(expect the rest to follow soon)
some high definition down.(expect the rest to follow soon)

(yes all the rest will soon follow.will keep updated as they fall off)




only some iks based receivers have working channels switched to the new n3 encryption,and, or in testing stages.

post #1 updated channel drop off list.

[thevizard]

Can someone post which exact model of IKS receivers are working? and what N3 channels working on those?

Thanks,

[smiller007]

Originally Posted by thevizard

Can someone post which exact model of IKS receivers are working? and what N3 channels working on those?

Thanks,

Currently the ONLY fta receiver that can receive any N3 chs is Nfusion. All models. By means of IKS. Right now Nfusion receives all BEV N3 chs except for adult and ppv's. No N3 DN chs are working right now. Once the switch to N3 is complete those should be supported also. Probably minus adults and ppv's.

[Landscapeman]

Kbox and Neosat also have beta versions getting Bev using IKS.

[toe]

i wounder why the switch over to n3 takes so long on ****?? maybe the equipment they, use like servers can only take so much information at one time, or they will have problems with the customers rec. taking so much info for so long, put to much and maybe knock out customers rec. or there own servers??? questions, and so many too i think u people are with me on that page anyway ???????????

[carl.099]

Originally Posted by toe

i wounder why the switch over to n3 takes so long on ****?? maybe the equipment they, use like servers can only take so much information at one time, or they will have problems with the customers rec. taking so much info for so long, put to much and maybe knock out customers rec. or there own servers??? questions, and so many too i think u people are with me on that page anyway ???????????

Hi all. This is my first post on ABA DSS. DN is right on schedule with their conversion to N3. They are doing it according to programming tiers. Last week, they began shutting down N2 on the HD tiers. Next will come the movie channels and finally the basic tiers. Many have heard that May 1 will see lots more channels going away. We'll see.
As far as opening up the G3 card, the hackers will have to expose all 5 of the protective layers on it to get at the data bus. They can then give the card commands and see what it does. Only then will the coders be able to go to work on a fix. N3 has been secure in Europe for over two years, so I'm not hopeful that the US version will be compromised anytime soon. I hope I'm wrong.