What FTA Team will Crack N3 First?

[lazerdc]

sorry but in europe they had over 2 years to crack n3 they all up using iks but wish you all the best.this is the computer age.

[joeyo10a]

Hacking a card and writing a bin are two completely different things. Who knows, maybe Captain has an awesome hardware engineer that can reverse the card. N2 was hacked with a glitching attack. This is the common method to dump a cards contents. Nagra has increased security on it's cards to prevent glitching. If the N3 card(s) in Europe could be hacked by this method, they most likely would be hacked by now. That is why I believe a fix will be created by an outsourced engineering lab or bought outright. This will cost big bucks, and the guys with the cash are Nfusion.

[Landscapeman]

I would like to see Sonicview, Viewsat, Kbox, or Neosat get the first crack. I would assume that Nfusion has been pouring money at this problem. With the performance of the Sonicview lately they may have had something uo their sleeve.

[creativegenius]

nFusion is not likely to spend $$$ where it is not needed.

Their present work around will carry them for quite some time.

Creative Genius

Originally Posted by joeyo10a

Hacking a card and writing a bin are two completely different things. Who knows, maybe Captain has an awesome hardware engineer that can reverse the card. N2 was hacked with a glitching attack. This is the common method to dump a cards contents. Nagra has increased security on it's cards to prevent glitching. If the N3 card(s) in Europe could be hacked by this method, they most likely would be hacked by now. That is why I believe a fix will be created by an outsourced engineering lab or bought outright. This will cost big bucks, and the guys with the cash are Nfusion.

[leungc]

We all know that nfusion are liars. Card sharing is the only solution they have. if u're looking at who will have the first bin. it will be a race between VS and SV. N3 is not crackable unless someone on the inside leaked. It doesn;t make any sense that the code gets leaked before DN makes the switch. I am sure some staff in Nagravision is implementing the change in DN, and then a few months later, the codes will be sold to someone for billions of dollars. If they sold the codes now, DN will fired Nagravision and they will lose a lot of money and future partnership. You FTAer must shut up and wait, evenutally all the FTA boxes will have N3 Bins coming.

[raray]

Originally Posted by leungc

We all know that nfusion are liars. Card sharing is the only solution they have. if u're looking at who will have the first bin. it will be a race between VS and SV. N3 is not crackable unless someone on the inside leaked. It doesn;t make any sense that the code gets leaked before DN makes the switch. I am sure some staff in Nagravision is implementing the change in DN, and then a few months later, the codes will be sold to someone for billions of dollars. If they sold the codes now, DN will fired Nagravision and they will lose a lot of money and future partnership. You FTAer must shut up and wait, evenutally all the FTA boxes will have N3 Bins coming.

DN can't fire Nagravision. They own 50% of Nagravision!!!!!

[joeyo10a]

Originally Posted by creativegenius

nFusion is not likely to spend $$$ where it is not needed.

Their present work around will carry them for quite some time.

Creative Genius

Well, that would be shortsighted on Nfusion's part. Without ppv many users will pass on nfusion, and get a sub. They then will have an option to see a ppv. Something they won't have with just an Nfusion.

[maximas]

Hellow Everyone,
It will be VS.first to break the N3. But if it is SV. still OK. I have
both of them. Right now they are after International it will take
some time to do all of them.

[creativegenius]

Dude ...

What's with the hostility?

Creative Genius

Originally Posted by leungc

We all know that nfusion are liars. Card sharing is the only solution they have. if u're looking at who will have the first bin. it will be a race between VS and SV. N3 is not crackable unless someone on the inside leaked. It doesn;t make any sense that the code gets leaked before DN makes the switch. I am sure some staff in Nagravision is implementing the change in DN, and then a few months later, the codes will be sold to someone for billions of dollars. If they sold the codes now, DN will fired Nagravision and they will lose a lot of money and future partnership. You FTAer must shut up and wait, evenutally all the FTA boxes will have N3 Bins coming.

[Itaintrite]

@leungc, really, relax. You FTAer? What does that make YOU?

If they sold the codes now, DN will fired Nagravision and they will lose a lot of money and future partnership.

N1 was hacked. N2 was hacked (in 2-3 months). If DN wanted, they could've (should have) fired Nagravision years ago. Seriously, would YOU come back to the same company that failed to give you protection again hackers twice?

@joey, you're right. It IS short-sighted to focus only on IKS, but that's NFusion for you. Their IKS is very good right now though, using card-sharing for N3. So who knows, they might try to hack N3. EVERYBODY wants to be the first to hack N3. Imagine sale increase

[website_vandal]

Originally Posted by joeyo10a

N2 was hacked with a glitching attack. This is the common method to dump a cards contents. Nagra has increased security on it's cards to prevent glitching.

It was??? I seem to remember Chris Tarnovsky breaking the N2 encryption after he was offered 6 figures to do so. I've enclosed a write up and video showing how he did it. I don't see an unlooper listed anywhere in his tools.

Video: Smart Card Hacker's Tools Include Acid, Red Nail Polish -- UPDATED | Threat Level from Wired.com

Since Chris Tarnovsky is not listed anywhere in the pole. I had to take Sonicview by default.

[Itaintrite]

The ingenuity of man.

[website_vandal]

Think I'm going to run out and buy some nail polish and acetone and a high powered microscope....lmfao. That guy is a friggin' genious.

[SatelliteJunkie]

I notice a lot of you think that SV will be out front based on the present performance with nag2...but I don't think what is happening now (SV up for 2 months) will make any difference when we go to nag3.

Also I seem to recall (a while back) coders telling us that the nag3 is really nothing more than a fancy/different version of nag2. (same old game with a new name) sorta...and that they would be able to hack it when time came.
And they had all this time (while BEV went from n2 to n3) a head start on DN to work on it...so that (hopefully) by the time charlie went the way, we would be ready for it.

Now anybody with good common sense will know that no coders will release something (like a hack for bev w/n3) before it all goes away on both nets.

And most folks can understand that the investors, on the stock market are buying shares in sat technology, and sales are up now in light of the new security measures about to be implimented...and if those skitish investors were to catch wind of some hackers breaking there new n3 measures, so fast out of the gate, they would be in trouble financially.

And a lot of politics are also involved...and I'm not sure if secrets are bought & sold or not...but don't forget that some of the great minds that worked for them in the past, have jumped ship to our side & "if man can make it...man can break it".

So this little drama will have to play out and we will see what is around the corner.
But don't forget that we have been down this road before...and we're still here.
Some word from charlie boys say n2 could be down in a week or two...or it could drag out until this fall before it all goes to n3.
And I promise you that you won't see anything until we go completely down.

[Tbass]

Originally Posted by SatelliteJunkie

I notice a lot of you think that SV will be out front based on the present performance with nag2...but I don't think what is happening now (SV up for 2 months) will make any difference when we go to nag3.

Also I seem to recall (a while back) coders telling us that the nag3 is really nothing more than a fancy/different version of nag2. (same old game with a new name) sorta...and that they would be able to hack it when time came.
And they had all this time (while BEV went from n2 to n3) a head start on DN to work on it...so that (hopefully) by the time charlie went the way, we would be ready for it.

Now anybody with good common sense will know that no coders will release something (like a hack for bev w/n3) before it all goes away on both nets.

And most folks can understand that the investors, on the stock market are buying shares in sat technology, and sales are up now in light of the new security measures about to be implimented...and if those skitish investors were to catch wind of some hackers breaking there new n3 measures, so fast out of the gate, they would be in trouble financially.

And a lot of politics are also involved...and I'm not sure if secrets are bought & sold or not...but don't forget that some of the great minds that worked for them in the past, have jumped ship to our side & "if man can make it...man can break it".

So this little drama will have to play out and we will see what is around the corner.
But don't forget that we have been down this road before...and we're still here.
Some word from charlie boys say n2 could be down in a week or two...or it could drag out until this fall before it all goes to n3.
And I promise you that you won't see anything until we go completely down.

you have some very good points in your post my friend. My only really big question on this is if it seems so easy. Then why hasn't it been cracked yet over in Europe yet???

[joeyo10a]

Originally Posted by website_vandal

It was??? I seem to remember Chris Tarnovsky breaking the N2 encryption after he was offered 6 figures to do so. I've enclosed a write up and video showing how he did it. I don't see an unlooper listed anywhere in his tools.

Video: Smart Card Hacker's Tools Include Acid, Red Nail Polish -- UPDATED | Threat Level from Wired.com

Since Chris Tarnovsky is not listed anywhere in the pole. I had to take Sonicview by default.

Tarnovsky was hired by NDS in 1999 to crack N1. Perhaps he also hacked the N2 card(2005), but that was never established at the trial.

c/p from a coding site

"Funny though. First generation ST chip used by Nagra1 didn't have mesh protection but according to reports/myths/legends, yada, yada, was probed to access the keys. Second generation ST chip used by Nagra2 incorporated mesh guard and other anti-probing security mechanisms but alas no probing was necessary - cam was simply clock glitched and dumped. "

The N2 crack came from a hacker in Europe.

[creativegenius]

Didn't the N2 hack come from TDG

Creative Genius

[Tbass]

Originally Posted by creativegenius

Didn't the N2 hack come from TDG

Creative Genius

LMAO!!!!! good one

[nejaz728]

jvvh team is pretty active right now

[jackass44]

sonicview they have a good team