Missing channels w/ PRO LNB's?

[carpenter1]

Missing channels w/ PRO LNB's? (Viewsat)
by cmfinc

1. Dish mis-alignment causing a lower signal strength than max available at
your location. Re-align dish for max signal strength.

2. There is an INTERNAL electronic difference between how the LEGACY LNBs
and the PRO LNBs work.

LEGACY LNBs are designed to pickup only one satellite's signals at a time.
Under the "old" LEGACY LNB method, if one wanted to view 2 satellites,
you'd use 2 separate LEGACY LNB's and combine their signal with an
EXTERNAL SW-21 or the like so that 2 satellite's signals could be sent
down one cable to a receiver. THESE HEADS WORK WITH VIEWSAT and other FTA
boxes because of the ability to REMOVE the SW-21 from the cabling.

Later versions combined 2 LEGACY LNBs into a single unit (LEGACY Twins and
Quads) AND added the required SW-21 switch INTERNALLY inside the case so
that 2 satellite's signals could be sent down one cable to a receiver.
THESE HEAD DO NOT WORK WITH VIEWSAT and other FTA boxes reliably because
of the presence of the SW-21 which cannot be removed.

PRO LNBs (twin or quads) are actually 2 LNBs built into a single box.
Instead of using a SW-21 to switch the signal from 2 satellites, a DiSEqC
switch is used and 25,600 oscillator is installed INTERNALLY so that it
can "stack" one polarity signal on top of the other polarity signal in
order to send the both satellite polarities from one satellite down one
cable to a receiver.

Note: there are also DP single(or dual) LNBs used for 61.5 or 148 these
are for one satellite only and are usually used in conjunction with a DP34
switch in DN setups, these will work fine with FTAs following DP
guidelines.

These Differences are the reason those of us helping folks with their
ViewSats constantly ask what TYPE of LNB are you using. You need to know
your LNB type because the setup procedures are slightly different between
the two--LEGACY and PRO.


And, YOU NEED TO TELL US "LNB TYPE" (LEGACY OR PRO) WHEN ASKING FOR HELP!


PRO heads "internally" stack the "H" Horizontal TP signal and the "V"
Vertical TP signal in order to use only ONE CABLE to the STB/IRD. This is
done with an oscillator in the LNB.

Hence, without the "H" HORIZONTAL TP conversion to a "V" VERTICAL TP
frequency, PRO LNB's will NOT receive "H" TP frequencies and you may be
MISSING 1/2 the channels.

MATH
"H" TPs to "V" TP conversion.

FORMULA
"new" 'V' TP Frequency = 25600 - "old 'H' TP frequency

EXAMPLE TP DATA
119 TP2 (Leg) = 12239, 20000, H, 5/6 - LEGACY info for TP 2 on 119 - AS A
HORIZONTAL TP

119 TP2 (PRO) = 13361, 20000, V, 5/6 - PRO info for TP2 on 119 - AS A
"CONVERTED" HORIZONTAL To A "VERTICAL" TP

To complicate matters, once you have an incomplete channel scan in your
ViewSat, the only practical way is to do a FACTORY DEFAULT to clear your
channels and re-setup your box.

Doing it "RIGHT" the first time will save you lots of time, effort and
aggravation and get you to testing out your new "toy" at the soonest
possible moment.
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And you can try this...

Viewsat Receiver's can make your satinfo file for you - Here is how!!!!

"Before a scan, go to edit satellite settings and delete all TPs
except for TP1 for each sat which is 12224 for 110, 91, and 82 and
12239 for 119. Make sue the settings for that single TP are correct
and then perform a regular scan. In the process, the receiver will
automatically locate all TPs whether they cover your geographic area
or not. I've done it this way every single time and my scans are
flawless no matter which PGM file I'm using."

Just wanted to add that when I scan, I turn the power off to all
other LNB's except the one I am scanning. Make sure you turn them
all back on once complete!

FOR 61.5 start with 12297 H 20000 5/6 for the 61.5
that is the first one for the 61.5

F3 is the delete key, hit the pause key in the scan section for button
options.

Quick Note: This will not work for everyone...Example 12224 on 119 is a
spot beam that I am unable to receive. With that said all one would have
to do is start the scan on the next tp number.

the only problem i have had while doing this is when i scan the channels i
get a lot of echo**** channels and have to either delete or edit them if
anyone else has good success with this please post back as i am interested
in knowing if it works well ,

another reason i thought it could have been my setup is that i had weak
signal when i was trying this option as i had snow on my dish and didn't
know it until later in that day , i haven't tried it since 1024 was
released as that was the file i was trying out the auto tp on and found
that it got the tp's but named the channels incorrect ,

so maybe the bins have improved so this can work well , please post
results,

This technique works perfectly every time. The problems reported here are
not related to this procedure. I have done this procedure over and over
again and it always comes up perfectly.

Delete all TP's except the following corresponding spot beams then do a
channel scan within the same installation screen by pressing OK:

110 - Start scan at 12224 deleting all others
119 - Start scan at 12239 deleting all others
61.5 - Start scan at 12297 deleting all others

F3 is the delete button.

[edwinsao]

carp i gonna buy a viewsat and i have a question viewsat can work with the same switch than the coolsat or i must buy a new switch? my dish is a dish 500 with 2 lnbs in one or the two eyes as we called thanks

[grasshopper]

they are using same switch

[sirren]

Am I reading this right that if I'm using a dishpro (twin LNB's that come in to the house in one cable/line and a single for 61.5) that this will not work on the Viewsat? The Pro is pointing to 110/119. I have two switches on hand but not using...sw21 & sw34 ... will either of these work? Or will the DiSEqC supplied with the new Extreme box be needed to connect the 2 dishes = 3 LNB's? I was using only 1 dish (Twin Pro / one cable) in the Pansat and had to convert all H TP's to Vertical like you had mentioned...... No matter what I did with other switches...I could never connect the 2 dishes (single 61.5 with the Pro Twin) on the a switch without losing one of the twins LNB. Can you focus on explaining the process I'll need to over come this problem with Extreme ..... Please ..... Pretty Please! ..... You helped that fine young women that we saw pictures of last week ...... do I need to put on one of my wife’s dresses, and take pictures of me to get your help? No wise cracks Grasshopper! I really need the help here! And NO! I won't put on a Thong!!!!!

Ren

[carpenter1]

You can connect up to 8 individual satellite dishes to the ViewSat. It requires 2 DiSEqC switches.

The first DiSEqC switch will have Satellites 1 through 4 with the 0 KHZ tone selected

The second DiSEqC switch will have Satellites 5 through 8 with the 22KHz tone selected


0 KHz AND DiSEqC Port 1 = SAT 1
0 KHz AND DiSEqC Port 2 = SAT 2
0 KHz AND DiSEqC Port 3 = SAT 3
0 KHz AND DiSEqC Port 4 = SAT 4

22 KHz AND DiSEqC Port 1 = SAT 5
22 KHz AND DiSEqC Port 2 = SAT 6
22 KHz AND DiSEqC Port 3 = SAT 7
22 KHz AND DiSEqC Port 4 = SAT 8

[carpenter1]

If you want it to work..the sw21 goes AFTER the Diseqc switch.. anyway so say you wanted to get 8 sats... you would need 4 SW-21s and one 4 port Diseqc switch ....


.................................................. ..........................._-------- 119 port 1 22KHz on
.................................................. ...........................|
..............................................port 1 ----> sw21 ---|
.................................................. .|.........................|
.................................................. .|.........................|---------- 110 port 1 22KHz off
.................................................. .|
...............stb----> 4 port switch or DP34
.................................................. .|
.................................................. .|
.................................................. .|..........................._-------- 91 port 2 22KHz on
.................................................. .|...........................|
...............................................port 2 ----> sw21 ---|
.................................................. .............................|
.................................................. .............................|---------82 port 2 22KH off

[carpenter1]

Hey ren take my advise and get a motor and a legacy LNB, you will get much more out of this setup.

[dish buzzard]

Can anyone tell me if the bin's for the VS2000 Platinim and Extreme are the same or is there a separate one for each ? Thanks

[carpenter1]

Originally Posted by dish buzzard

Can anyone tell me if the bin's for the VS2000 Platinim and Extreme are the same or is there a separate one for each ? Thanks

They are both different.

[dish buzzard]

Thanks for the info

[sirren]

Carp;
This is my current config on dish and cabling.


///////////////////////null spacing///////////////////////|----- 119
----To receiver-------RG6 coax------------DISHPRO|
//////////////////////null spacing////////////////////////|----- 110


-----To receiver--------RG6 coax----Single LNB Dish|-----61.5

when I put both cables on any switch...I lose one of the Pro's LNB's. I thought my DP34 was going to do the trick but couldn't get it to work with the Pansat 2500.

Now your saying to connect my DP21 SW were?
and use the DP34 SW before DP21 SW

Also My dish is so high off the ground that it is impossible for the time being to connect or replace dish(s) with motor and legacy dish. I have to shoot high over treeline ....I'm practicly in the jungle as it is.

Lets take it on dish at a time so I understand this. how do I get just the Dishpro twin (110 & 119) (one cable coming out of the dish to the receiver) to configure to the VS Extreme? I get that up and running then I'll experiment from there..........

Thanks!

Ren

[zipper]

hey carp, got an extreme at an awsome price($135 cash out the door...had to go to downtown HEZBOLLAH to get it) anyways, I'm having trouble deleting channels......keeps locking machine up.....any suggestions ????

[carpenter1]

Put the 2051 factory file and then the fix but first do a factory default 3 times before you connect it to the computer.

[zipper]

Sorry carp...forgot to say that I have dish pro...110 to port 1 & 119 to port 2

[carpenter1]

Sorry to hear that. I HATE DISH PRO.
Sorry had to get that out, every time I do things with DP LNB's they just end up being a bigger problem then what they should, and I have done many of these. I just don't mess with DP's no more it's all legacy for me. I scan channels and they are all there, I hook up a 4X1 switch and it all works great. It just seems that people are having a great deal of problems with DP's.

Oh by the way did you get the channel problem to work yet?

[edwinsao]

Originally Posted by grasshopper

they are using same switch

thanks grass and thanks carp eh

[sirren]

Carp ..... your drawing is a little confusing. I'm not using a sw21 unless its whats up in the dish. I thought what ever is in the twin LNB is intergrated in the LNB to make it one cable. (see my drawing) ... lets start with the basic. lets just get the pro dish (twin LNB into one line) setup on the VS Extreme. What is the config on the VS going to be set as?

Anybody have this configuration?

Ren

[carpenter1]

LNB Power----ON
LNB Type-----OCS DP
LNB Freq-----11250
22KHz------Off for 110-119 On for 61.5 or visa versa depamds how you connected it.
TP Freq-----12224
Search Option---All
DiSEqc 1-119 2-110 2-61.5
Motor---Off
Legacy SW---none or whatever type of LNB you have i.e. Quad DP etc.

Now since you have a DP LNB then you would set the DiSEqC as you have on your pansat.

OK now since you have a sw21 switch you should puy it on and run one line to your Duel LNB and one to the single LNB and then to your receiver. Set the first 119 to port 1 and 110 to port 2 then for 61,5 turn on 22KHz and put that on port 3 or 4 which ever works.

[sirren]

Excellent Carp...just Excellent!...sure your not a Rocket sicentist ... I can follow this with no problem ...... Will have to put it off for a few days <Rats> because of Launch Sunday ..... Will send you a special picture Sunday night if we get her off the ground.....

Thanks for all your help ...will see you in couple of days ....

Ren

[zipper]

Didn`t get a chance to work on it yet...(channel problem)...box at an alternate location, brothers kids in visting gram & pap & needed cartoon net....hence the deleting thing.Pap had the dp...........
I have have a d500 with 2 single lnb and everthing worked fine here.
Thinking about getting new dish.....What do I really need (besides what i already got)... SUPER DISH...or something else??????