Tuner 2 issues

[edwinsao]

ok you have legacy quad,you can hook 4 receivers with that lnb

[SystemDude]

Originally Posted by baron1

systemdude, just a thought ever think about putting a inline power inserter on tuner 1 cable going to lnb to boost power to lnb.box might be under powered to run 3 lnbs. or disconnect 91 from sat input on lnb and see how your box works just using 110-119. my setup is dish 500 dpp single coax running to dpp seperator and to both tuner with 2 12inch going to tuner 1 and 2.

I had planned on adding a separator in the future, in order to allow the second downlead to run a second stb. To be honest, my local retailer did not know about the separator at the time of my purchase -- he said I had to run two lines......

I am a little confused about the power inserter, however. I can see what you are saying about the possible lack of sufficient power from the STB, and it makes sense. However, I am only able to locate an inserter that is designed for use with the DPP44 switch. I doubt that that would be appropriate since the STB uses voltage-level switching to activate the switch routing in the DPP twin LNB. There is an item called a "Dish Pro Adapter" for use with the twin LNB, but its purpose seems to be to provide additional power to enable the LNB to be used with legacy STB's that cannot provide it themselves. Since there is no such thing as a separator for legacy boxes, I would think that would also be the wrong choice. Since we are talking about the level of DC power here, I would not want to get it wrong and wind up blowing things up. Do you have a little more information?

[baron1]

running one lead to seperator then to elite and other lead to additional box is the way to go. i beleive 3 lnb hookup requires about 750mA when the 360 put out somewhere around 500mA maybe a little higher, adding the second receiver will definatly boost power and bring down internal heat inside 360, probably working ok now but box is probably running hot and heat makes electronics act weird sometimes. don't know if this part of any of your problems but good to do. hooking any box(dn-d3v) up to second line after seperator install just to add power till other box is bought could'nt hurt boost power only. both box'es on at same time but only watching 360.

[Ozz_man]

You know, I don't remember seeing a 3rd hookup on this LNB, so I just went outside and looked again.

I have a Dish Pro LNB mounted on a DISH 1000. That is all it says is DISH PRO. No plus, or anything else.

Is this where my problem lies?

Also I have never flashed my receiver to anything other then the charlie fix. Was I supposed to flash it to a factory bin or something before hand? Or even worse, I didn't even set my system up until after I flashed it.

Am off to work now but am very interested in seeing what responses this generates. Am I working with old legacy equipment here?

[SystemDude]

baron1:

Thank you -- that clears up the image in my mind considerably. I would not want to do anything that might have a chance of smoking my rooftop stuff, and that's a simple and safe solution.

[SystemDude]

Originally Posted by Ozz_man

I have a Dish Pro LNB mounted on a DISH 1000. That is all it says is DISH PRO. No plus, or anything else.

Is this where my problem lies? Am I working with old legacy equipment here?

Not according to my understanding. There are three DP twin heads that all look pretty much identical once mounted on the dish arm: The DP has two coax connectors, the DPPlus has three, and the DP Quad has four. Guess you have the DP. They all represent pretty much state-of-the-art for DN reception, use virtually identical technology and just differ in their detailed capabilities. (You can find all the techhead stuff in stickies in other threads, if you like -- including photos)

For the most part, you must have a relatively new STB to run any of these LNB's. The Elite is of course in that group. But this does not change any of the advice that myself or any of the other folks have offered in this thread. In particular, it does not do anything to clarify why, when you have run two downleads, there should be any difference in reception between the two tuners. As I pointed out, I have two coax myself at present, and I too see some tuner-related differences but not as serious as yours. Have you triple-checked to ensure your dish settings are absolutely identical for both tuners? And BTW, do not assume that your coax cables are healthy -- one of the ones my local dealer made up for me was defective (no shield continuity) and would have caused me no end of anguish had I not caught it before installation.

Originally Posted by Ozz_man

Also I have never flashed my receiver to anything other then the charlie fix. Was I supposed to flash it to a factory bin or something before hand? Or even worse, I didn't even set my system up until after I flashed it.

There seems to be a difference of opinion about 'factory flashing', but I don't see the need. It just gets overwritten anyways. But I stand ready to be chastized if necessary.

You will note that all of the setup stickies on this site state very specifically to load the latest bin before trying to proceed with further setup. This is because the code that services the DP and DPP styles of LNB is NOT part of the original factory load, so some of the setup menus will not have the choices you need to do the job until after the update.

[baron1]

this is how i tell what lnb someone has. i will show where coax connectors are on dual lnb setup.

dish pro plus has 3 connectors two on left one on far right.
dish pro twin has 2 connectors one on far left and one on far right
legacy twin has 2 connectors one on left inner and right inner
legacy quad has 4 connectors one far left one inner left one right inner one far right.

each take different settings

[s2byus]

My setups comprises of 4 twin LNBs (not DP) to receive from 4 birds. Two cables are going down to the two tuner’s inputs. Each tuner selects one of the 4 LNBs using a 4x1 DISEqC switch to be routed to the associated tuner. The swiches are located at the top of the two cables, close to the dish.

If the two cables is not a big problem, it’s a simple clean and I hope reliable setup, with the advantage of having at any time only one LNB loading each tuner, so no need for additional DC power.

SystemDude,
I understand you already use a two cable setup with 3 LNB signals and you may also have the 4x1 DISEqC switch that came with the Elite. Just a thought………….

[Ozz_man]

Ok, I finally got this working (but not really solved).

First weird thing was when I downloaded the newest bin, it fixed the problem with the separator not showing up. I saw it in the menu now, but I still could not accomplish what was suggested.

There was something with my dish setup that was just not right. I had another dish on my roof that went to my subs, and I really wanted to leave that setup alone. But I disconnected one of my subbed receivers, and ran THAT line to my SV-360. I then put in the separator, set it up according to all the good advice here and now I am golden.

[SystemDude]

Originally Posted by Ozz_man

Ok, I finally got this working (but not really solved).

Sometimes knowledge just gets in the way....... hehehehehe

Regardless, congratulations!!

[Ozz_man]

Thanks

I don't know wether to start a new thread or keep going to the next question.

I don't think my auto roll is working. I have it enabled, and my time and date is ok. But at least twice a day when I turn my TV on I get "no service or scrambled" message. I have to turn it to channel 457 and let it sit for about 7-8 minutes before I finally get TV.

I am just assuming that this is an auto roll problem. Because my Viewsat Pro says "autoroll in process" and pauses briefly, but I never see it do this on the SV 360.

What do ye all say to this? Any similar issues?

This causes problems when I record and I would love to see it solved as well! Anything else I will just deal with