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About the DPP Separator

A few things to know about the DPP Separator:




1. The DPP Separator is a DishPro Plus technology device that makes it possible to feed a dual (twin) tuner STB with just a single cable run.
2. It can be used only with a DPPlus LNB or a DPP44 Switch (each should have the dpPLUS symbol stamp on it).
3. The DPP Separator – best located behind the STB - gets the INPUT signal from the cable hooked to an output port of a DPP LNB or a DPP44 Switch. The 2 outputs need to be hooked to the two IF IN receiver inputs with two, short 1-2 foot RG6, cables.
4. The two DPP Separator outputs should be hooked correctly, meaning SATELLITE IN 1 goes to IF-IN A or 1 and SATELLITE IN 2 goes to IF-IN B or 2, depending on how the dual tuner box inputs are labeled. It will not work, if hooked the other way around.
5. DPP Separators can be used with each or all output ports like this:
· For a DPP Twin LNB – up to 2 DPP Separators
· For an integrated DPP Triple LNB – up to 3 DPP Separators
· For a DPP44 Switch – up to 4 DPP Separators
6. DPP Separators can be used with a DPP44 Switch regardless of what DP or DPP LNBs are hooked at the DPP44 inputs.
7. DPP Separators can NOT be used to “combine” two - LNB or switch - output signals into one line (and then split it back).
8. A DPP Separator can NOT be used to feed two single tuner receivers.
9. The box settings need to have Connection: DPP Separator. The LNB Type will be atomattically set to DPPlus and locked - this is normal.
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the sonicview 360 Elite is currently the only free to air receiver with dpp separator support.
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nice info s2byus.thank you buddy.

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i've never installed a separator...is there a sticky that shows a typical install?
provided you meet these requirements:
2. It can be used only with a DPPlus LNB or a DPP44 Switch (each should have the dpPLUS symbol stamp on it).

all you do,is bring 1 line in from a port on the twin.(just not the port off by itself on the dpp twin.that's an lnb-in port.).
then right in back of your sv 360 Elite.place the dpp separator,and bring two short coaxial cables from the switch into both tuners and bam,both tuners are fed and can multi watch/record.

like noted,the dp twin and the dpp twin are very similar.but can be identified quickly and easily in two ways.
a dp twin is marked DP.
a dpp twin is marked DP PLUS.
the Dish Pro Plus or DP+ or DPP,(all same lnb's.these are some common names/nick names/abbreviation's for this lnb.) also has one extra port.its an lnb IN port.

a regular dish pro twin or a dish pro quad will NOT work with a DPP separator.(unless you use a dpp44 switch of course.)


a pic of the dpp twin:


you can if you wish,run two lines from lnb ports into each tuner directly.in fact you have to do this if you have a regular dish pro twin-to fully maximize both tuners.
but with a dpp and dpp separator,you accomplish the same thing with dpp technology with the use of only one cable entering the house.

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5. DPP Separators can be used with each or all output ports like this:
· For a DPP twin LNB – up to 2 DPP Separators


now this part,lets say you want to add another sv 360 Elite.
you have one port free to run another line to another dpp separator and duplicate this setup again.(still nothing to do with that lnb in port.that's always for another dp dual lnb.never goes to a receiver.no exceptions-ever.)

for antenna settings,you pretty much leave everything defaulted.
but change lnb type to OCS-DP
and diseqc ports:
119=#1
110#2
IF 3rd lnb plugged in-#3


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· For an integrated DPP Triple LNB – up to 3 DPP Separators

to help with this part.
let say you have a 1000.2 dish with the triple head lnb:



you can run 3 lines from 3 output ports to 3 receivers.
run each line into a dpp separator,placed right in back of each sv 360E's and you have 119/110/129 to 3 sv 360E dual tuners.
no limits or conflicts.fully free to watch and or record two channels at same time on any one of these birds.
now also like the dpp twin,you can connect a dp dual.(not a twin) into the lnb IN port.and all 3 stbs would get 110/119/129/and lets say 91w.-or wherever you pointed that dish,that's holds the dp dual lnb.simple right?

for antenna settings,you pretty much leave everything defaulted.
but change lnb type to OCS-DP
and diseqc ports:
119=#1
110#2
129#3
IF 4th lnb plugged in-#4


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notice the lnb that can be plugged into a dish pro plus twin or triple lnb's LNB-IN port:

notice its not a twin? its only for 1 sat location.it can be a single-one port(tho they do not make them anymore).or the more common, dual-two ports.

dish pro dual lnb:



notice,it looks just like a standard(also known as legacy) lnb.but its marked DP on it.this DP marking is a MUST for this application.

many people call the twin lnb duals.tho a true statement i suppose,in that they can have 2 outputs.that's a very inaccurate description.(calling double eyed lnb's twin is much more accurate and precise.)

THIS lnb is more accurately described as a dual lnb.

in most applications,you will setup a devoted dish to hold this lnb and catch a bird.
from one of these ports,you simply run a coaxial line to the LNB-IN port of your DPP twin or DPP tripple 1000.2 lnb


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what about power?
can the sv 360E support enough to do this,without the need of the dpp44 with power inserter?

the dn receivers supply 750mA to the lnb.

the sv 360E claims to supply 700mA.

there should be no known power issues when running dpp lnb's with multiple 360 Elites/dpp separators and dp dual combo's.
go ahead,try to slow one down.
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fantastic information....thank you

i've never installed a separator...is there a sticky that shows a typical install?
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Wee Ha... I'm gettin' some of those.... (well maybe depending on price)
You wouldn't believe how many people i know that ask me if I have any Spitters/Separators or if they will work on sats......
Have these been around for awhile ???
Thanx s2byus !!

Their Label designer has a weird way of Labeling though...
You would think the little pic of the sat would at the top "sat In"....
and it say REC. or "out" at the bottom....huh...oh well as long as they work...
Maybe thats why I never saw them anywhere the ins/outs are labled like a "switch" asside from it Saying "separator"... probably over looked them... Thanx

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it works great on my sv360 been using it for about 3 months

mine runs smooth in both rooms.when 91 was up i was running 2 elites with 110/119/91
with no trouble at all.both using dpp Separator

and i forgot i unhooked one dpp Separator and set a motor to tuner two on my elite.works great that way .stilll got my reg dish 110/119 on tuner 1 for the wife "easy to use" and got the motor on tuner 2 for me......
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Wee Ha... I'm gettin' some of those.... (well maybe depending on price)
You wouldn't believe how many people i know that ask me if I have any Spitters/Separators or if they will work on sats......
Have these been around for awhile ???
Thanx s2byus !!
Depending on the price you may get more than some... The price is about $10 but may be found for less than $5 ... and down. Just beware of clones! The question would be, how many of the sv-360 Elite boxes have you ? lol

They are around for more than 3 years, but I realy don't know how much more. Mostly used for DN dual tuner receivers.

Thanks Arbor, I was not aware that among the FTA dual tuner boxes only the sv-360 Elite suports it.
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I have a DPP1000.2 with a DP625 with DPP Seperator in LR (2nd tuner line going to 1 br), and then the sv360elite with a dpp seperator in my BR. The 625 is a true dual tuner which allows 2 tv's off the 1 ird. I got the dpp seperators off ebay for $2.50 each. You will run into trouble if your only running fta stbs on the 1000.2 the 1000.2 requires alot of power for diseq/lnb and 1 set top box isn't enough to power it.
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this is a very helpful posts and it explains my problem, thanks!
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Can someone help me with this setup......will a DPP Seperator work with this???
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hard to say of course until you let us know what your "setup" consists of.

I have 119,100,118,61.5 DishPro LNB and DPP44 switch, output goes to living room and bedroom......bedroom had nfusion receiver, living room has dish 301 receiver & viewsat 9000...I can't run one more cable to living room, so need to split the connection for 2 receivers, can I use DPP separator?? will it work??...

I am watching international on dish 301 receiver due to N3.

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I have 119,100,118,61.5 DishPro LNB and DPP44 switch, output goes to living room and bedroom......bedroom had nfusion receiver, living room has dish 301 receiver & viewsat 9000...I can't run one more cable to living room, so need to split the connection for 2 receivers, can I use DPP separator?? will it work??...

I am watching international on dish 301 receiver due to N3.

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nope,sorry.
because none of these receivers are a sonicview 360 Elite.and only the sv 360 Elite supports dpp separators when it comes to fta receivers.
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Re: About the DPP Separator

How would this be dif than just running the out from tuner 1 to tuner 2. Then I have out from tuner 2 to another receiver. Pip, watching one while recording anotherand my other reciever all work great. Only thing is I have to have tuner 2 on sv360 in use to get signal to other reciever. I'm sure I'm missing some benefit by not having the dp separator, but what is it? Btw, lnb is dp plus, recording on an old Seagate ext. Your great advice is always appreciated.
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How would this be dif than just running the out from tuner 1 to tuner 2. Then I have out from tuner 2 to another receiver. Pip, watching one while recording anotherand my other reciever all work great. Only thing is I have to have tuner 2 on sv360 in use to get signal to other reciever. I'm sure I'm missing some benefit by not having the dp separator, but what is it? Btw, lnb is dp plus, recording on an old Seagate ext. Your great advice is always appreciated.
Using the loop through setup by running the out from tuner 1 to tuner 2, significantly limits the simultaneous watching and recording capabilities. If one uses the first tunner - connected to the dish for watching a channel, the second tuner - connected to the output of the first, would be able to record at the same time, only channels that belong to the same satellite and transponder as the channel being watched with the first tuner.
These limitations are removed when feeding each tuner separately from the dish or, if possible - with a dpplus LNB or a dpplus switch -using a single cable run and a dpp separator.
Then, any channel can be watched using one tuner, while any other can be recorded with the second tuner at the same time.
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