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Old September 4th, 2009   #1 (permalink)
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Microsoft will unvail its new host tracker platform officially at SIGCOMM 2009 in Barcelona, Spain. The software can find Host servers regardless of how often the IP address changes with an accuracy of 1%.

There has been several reports that this system has been used under a test agreement with "Charlie". In a defence effort against IKS. The goal is to find IKS servers & simply shut them down. If IKS systems have no server their encryption is secure. No Server no IKS.

Coincidently you probably have noticed reports of server issues with many IKS systems..... Hmmmm!

You may also note , that suggestions of an IKS hack and an N3 Hack originated in Bacelona Spain. Look were this new platform is being released at. You guessed it Barcelona Spain.

Here are a few excepts from the proposed release.

In a paper to be presented next week at SIGCOMM 2009 in Barcelona, Spain, three researchers from Microsoft's research center in Mountain View, CA,demonstrate a way to remove the shield of anonymity from such shadowy attackers. Using a new software tool, the three computer scientists were able to identify the machines responsible for malicious activity, even when the host's IP address changed frequently.

Host Tracker resolves the conflicts by cross referencing the data to identify proxy servers, which allow several hosts to appear as a single IP address, and to determine when a guest was using a legitimate host. "The fact that we are able to trace malicious traffic to the proxy itself is an improvement because we are able to pinpoint the exact origin," Xie says.

The researchers also created a way to automatically blacklist traffic from a particular IP address, once the Host Tracker system has determined that the host at that address is compromised.

Using this method in simulation, the researchers were able to block malicious traffic with an error rate of five percent--in other words, 5 out of 100 IP addresses classified as malicious were actually legitimate. Using additional information to identify good user behavior reduced that false-positive rate to less than one percent.

"We want to separate the two notions. The accountability that we are talking about is the ability to identify the hosts."

So it may forebode problems for the future of IKS.

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Here is the article that the original poster was referencing:

Microsoft Team Traces Malicious Users

Three researchers find a way to trace compromised machines used to attack other computers.

Anonymity on the Internet can be both a blessing and a curse. While the ability to hide behind anonymous proxies and fast-changing Internet protocol (IP) addresses has enabled freer speech in nations with repressive regimes, the same technologies allow cybercriminals to hide their tracks and pass off malicious code and spam for legitimate communications.

In a paper to be presented next week at SIGCOMM 2009 in Barcelona, Spain, three researchers from Microsoft's research center in Mountain View, CA, demonstrate a way to remove the shield of anonymity from such shadowy attackers. Using a new software tool, the three computer scientists were able to identify the machines responsible for malicious activity, even when the host's IP address changed frequently.

"What we are really trying to get at is the host responsible for an attack," said Yinglian Xie, a member of the Microsoft team. "We are not trying to track those identifiers but associate them with a particular host."

The prototype system, dubbed HostTracker, could result in better defenses against online attacks and spam campaigns. Security firms could, for example, build a better picture of which Internet hosts should be blocked from sending traffic to their clients, and cybercriminals would have a harder time camouflaging their activities as legitimate traffic.

Xie and her colleagues, Fang Yu and Martin Abadi, analyzed a month's worth of data--330 gigabytes--collected from a large e-mail service provider, in an attempt to determine which users were responsible for sending out spam. To trace the origins of multiple spam outbreaks, the scientists studied records including more than 550 million user IDs, 220 million IP addresses, and a time stamp for events such as sending a message or logging into an account.

Tracing the origins of messages--a key task for tracking spam and other kinds of Internet attack--involved reconstructing relationships between account IDs and the hosts from which users connected to the e-mail service. To do this, the researchers clumped together all the IDs accessed from different hosts over a certain time period. The HostTracker software then combed through this data to resolve any conflicts. For example, sometimes more than one user appeared to originate from the same IP address or a single user had multiple ID addresses during overlapping periods of time.

HostTracker resolves the conflicts by cross referencing the data to identify proxy servers, which allow several hosts to appear as a single IP address, and to determine when a guest was using a legitimate host. "The fact that we are able to trace malicious traffic to the proxy itself is an improvement because we are able to pinpoint the exact origin," Xie says.

The researchers also created a way to automatically blacklist traffic from a particular IP address, once the HostTracker system has determined that the host at that address is compromised. Using this method in simulation, the researchers were able to block malicious traffic with an error rate of five percent--in other words, 5 out of 100 IP addresses classified as malicious were actually legitimate. Using additional information to identify good user behavior reduced that false-positive rate to less than one percent.

The results suggest that HostTracker would be a good way to refine the current way of defending against distributed denial-of-service attacks and spam campaigns, says Gunter Ollmann, vice president of research and development at Damballa, a firm that helps companies find and eliminate compromised hosts in a computer network.

"Using this technique will help find botnets that have a high frequency of traffic, such as spam campaigns, DDoS attacks, and maybe click-through attacks," Ollmann says. "Other attacks, such as password-stealing and banking trojans, where the attack is more host-centric--this sort of technique would not be as effective."

Xie acknowledges that while the technique is useful for creating lists of hosts to track, it may be less useful for law enforcement agencies attempting to identify the attackers behind online crime. "The accountability we are talking about is not court accountability," she says. "We want to separate the two notions. The accountability that we are talking about is the ability to identify the hosts." __________________
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hm.

i say bull****.
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Thanks for all the Information.
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lots of box have salf things like the stockmarket you can see on line with your box and the weather channell if you have your box on the internet.there not going to see if your getting codes or looking at the weather ch.the nfusion has that stuff on it
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Just what is it they are doing? I get it that they are studying emails where they can search for time stamps along with contents plus ip's. There may be more to this although it appears to me that dynamic searching in real time is at least 10 orders of magnitude more difficult.

More info is needed but I doubt this tool is going to do much in the iks world.

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bad news with fta now it became pieces of junk
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yes i agree thats not good news for us fta'rs...thank you for the read..as always thank you
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I'm sure if this becomes the case there is a work around
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I for one do not see any impact on IKS or FTA. Big difference between studying email address/contents/time stamps and trying to sort data streams dynamically

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will this is the war between charlie and fta companies continue, it's not going to end there....it's gonna keep going on and on for so long, and you will hear that charlie will do anything to damage the fta receiver'sof at least delayes (makes alot of people who are tired of waiting for the fixand leaves the fta world).....but fta companies will find another way around.....of course charlie won't set back and watch iks receivers (as a new fta technology) and do nothing! so expect all that news against iks, but for sure it will never be the END....until charlie goes out of bussiness !!!!!!
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I think this is only an attempt to scare people away from IKS. My understanding of the article is that it is to prevent identy theft, denial of service and may other problems nothing to do with IKS. Nfusion will keep us going. We may have a bit of down time but a small price to pay for a good service and a secure one.
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This was old new last month... I would not worry about it ...
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They (civilized world) have been using these tools for last ten years or so. There is a consortium of countries who have been tracking child porn sites along with the IPs of the users.

The only reason to be fearful is if you are on both list.....LOL.
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This will never work folks....
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"Xie acknowledges that while the technique is useful for creating lists of hosts to track, it may be less useful for law enforcement agencies attempting to identify the attackers behind online crime. The accountability we are talking about is not court accountability," she says. "We want to separate the two notions. The accountability that we are talking about is the ability to identify the hosts."
This tells me that its not possible for them to track you down through an i.p but only to track you to a "host" for the purpose of banning that host on their network or server. The whole DN using this is a farce....they would use something way more sophisticated then this if they were to use anything at all. That remains to be seen of course...
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May be "GOOGLE" HOST TRACKER and you will have a better perspective tho...the dynamics and applicable matrix will be more elaborate in these resources from the IT folks in the related field...enjoy...we will see when we get to the bridge...there is nothing as of now..BUT yes stakes are huge for all involved...? those sitting by the fence are no bird watchers they are very committed and RESOURCEFUL organisation-so down the road,potentially anything is possible ..eitherway???
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So if you're really worried about it you run a VPN and use a Socks V5 proxy...problem solved.

I still say it will never happen....tracking a "host" and actually gaining an individuals i.p are two different things. This is used for "hosts" and specifically botnet "hosts"...I don't think it will ever materialize to and come to pass to be used to track down IKS users. You have to realize that this is designed to try to track down "hackers" which are using somebody else's i.p anyways and this is just to put a stop to them doing that....not to acutally even track down the "hacker".
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yep sounds like nonsense!
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