N3 - Statements and Discussion

[carlos60]

c/p from another site administrator

I have started this thread because some of the Rumours floating around about "Official Statements" about Release dates and fixes are of the most part a load of gobbledegook.

Firstly, there is a false Cyphris circulating false rumours around fta sites and he has been banned from some. The real Cyphris rarely issues updates. I think he would most certainly not issue a statement giving out a release date. The files would just merely be released. You may have seen some reports that VS have the fix but are experiencing freezing problems, which as far as I am aware is still the problem. I completely trust this statement, as there is other info within the fta world, maybe not general knowledge, that substantiates it. There are different coders from different countries that are helping VS to try to solve the freezing.

So how, and why, on earth would a genuine coder issue a release date for a few weeks down the line when the freezing problem has not been solved, and what would be the purpose of delaying the release? VS is going to make money out of this. They are investing wisely in hiring the best and not bothering with HUB a DUB DUBs

[slowboy]

thanks for THE INFO

[jazzyjack]

Why can't VS release it now and fix the freezing problem as we go. I'd rather have something instead of NOTHING. Just a ?.

[bigevil69]

why would they release it now and have all the complaints hitting them that are hitting SV about the ihub freezing

in reality they are doing the right thing in getting it right before they release it

[DancinBear]

Why would they set a date for a release anyway. They never did in the past, why now?

[Victor Hugo]

thanks for the Information Carlos.

[VGiddy]

Carlos60 - Your analysis of the whole rigmarole is perfectly correct.

I am glad someone has come up with some sensible explanation to the whole VS N3 crack.

Thanks very much.

[NEWBIE11]

Originally Posted by carlos60

c/p from another site administrator

I have started this thread because some of the Rumours floating around about "Official Statements" about Release dates and fixes are of the most part a load of gobbledegook.

Firstly, there is a false Cyphris circulating false rumours around fta sites and he has been banned from some. The real Cyphris rarely issues updates. I think he would most certainly not issue a statement giving out a release date. The files would just merely be released. You may have seen some reports that VS have the fix but are experiencing freezing problems, which as far as I am aware is still the problem. I completely trust this statement, as there is other info within the fta world, maybe not general knowledge, that substantiates it. There are different coders from different countries that are helping VS to try to solve the freezing.

So how, and why, on earth would a genuine coder issue a release date for a few weeks down the line when the freezing problem has not been solved, and what would be the purpose of delaying the release? VS is going to make money out of this. They are investing wisely in hiring the best and not bothering with HUB a DUB DUBs

this is BIG NEWS on some other sites. saying that all about legal stuff doing with VS and chuck. They say Mr. kawk is trying to scare chuck and to making a deal!!! and charlie got million on it with nagra to lose!!!! if N3 fix comes out! so mr VS hope for a good deal!! but who knows?? but I'll bet theres no file till the legal stuff is done! just some of my readings in the last few days.
but it will come now or later that I believe!!

[str2000]

so no file coming on the 17th lol what a shocker

[sangremix]

thanks for this info guys...... my opinion: we have to wait and eventually the fix will be here!!!!

[carlos60]

I have the same opinion wait wait wait

Originally Posted by sangremix

thanks for this info guys...... my opinion: we have to wait and eventually the fix will be here!!!!

[nasluv2]

dude they are going to release sometime soon due to the fact that they do not know how to lose when it comes to cracking/hacking **** net!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[VS9000_User]

Originally Posted by jazzyjack

Why can't VS release it now and fix the freezing problem as we go. I'd rather have something instead of NOTHING. Just a ?.

Because, this is all BULL****, their is no N3 fix, I knew it from the day 1, when Sept 17th was posted.

Guys, like it or not, this is no n3 solution. The reason these were posted was to stop Viewsat owners from moving to currently working IKS FTAs, thus loosing market share.

Guess what you all VIEWSAT buddies, most have already moved & rest will move sooner or later, their is NO HACK, NO CRACK, NO PLASTIC, NO STAND ALONE N3 fix.

If you want to live in fairytale dream, go on... wait few more years... if you want real TV, buy a working IKS box.

[chachi68]

Originally Posted by VS9000_User

Because, this is all BULL****, their is no N3 fix, I knew it from the day 1, when Sept 17th was posted.

Guys, like it or not, this is no n3 solution. The reason these were posted was to stop Viewsat owners from moving to currently working IKS FTAs, thus loosing market share.

Guess what you all VIEWSAT buddies, most have already moved & rest will move sooner or later, their is NO HACK, NO CRACK, NO PLASTIC, NO STAND ALONE N3 fix.

If you want to live in fairytale dream, go on... wait few more years... if you want real TV, buy a working IKS box.

hmmm!...you must be an nfusion or k-box salesperson!!...chachi...
btw...what's wrong with living in a fairytale???...puff...puff...pass!...

[VS9000_User]

Originally Posted by chachi68

hmmm!...you must be an nfusion or k-box salesperson!!...chachi...
btw...what's wrong with living in a fairytale???...puff...puff...pass!...

for your kind information, I don't OWN niether of them... if you want to contradite my statement... post your release date...

fix coming soon...soon... soon.. how soon... 5 YEARS, 10 YEARS

[creativegenius]

There will be NO stand-alone fixes for quite some time, Zero Cool and his friends are not working on them in their Mom's basement, its simply well out of the league of only but a few of the World's best coders.

A couple of 2600 mags and a few Pizzas are not going to solve this issue.

Keep your plastic Cap'n Crunch whistles for something more useful <grin>. The thought that a stand-alone file will be released on the 17th of September (let alone Sept 2012) is 100% crap.

If I'm proven wrong, I'll be the first to admit it, but it's simply NOT going to happen.

We'll now return to our regular programming (NASA).

Creative Genius

[sierra77]

/P This said about N3 from a reliable source in the xxx biz

Does anyone really think with that many providers using Nagra 3, that it will go uncompromised, especially considering how weak Nagra 1 and 2 were? Does anyone think Nagra just suddenly woke up and started making a quality product? Does anyone actually think Nagra is outpacing the developmental capabilities of hackers in Europe, North America and Korea now? There have already been major embarrassments out of Kudelski on the Nagravision 3 system, they have already done card recalls of certain versions of the nagra 3 cards and sent out new ones replacing them.

Now if you want specifics for what actually has been done so far. I will give some of what is known. Dark Angel the coder who wrote numerous blockers and hacks for the rom 102 cards, whos been around the satellite business since before HashHU even started (and we have been here for over 7 years), claims he is close to releasing a fix for armulator emulation equipment, which at this point is having freezing issues, he claims he needs to figure out the checksum information before he releases this fix. If he is successful with this fix, it's literally a matter of days after he releases it before it comes to almost all FTA receivers as emulators work identically to FTA receivers.

This is what I knew about the Viewsat card lab out the basement of a rented house in texas, which now claims to be dismantled. They were taking pictures of the card, getting all information off the card that they could and taking apart the binary code, they also claimed they had Nagra 3 working with freezing but would not release it till that was fixed. As of now, my sources say the cardlab is shut down and they are not working on a fix because Jung Kwak, owner of Viewtech Inc, has declared bankruptcy and wishes to invest no more money into the operation. I think this may be backtracking if they actually do have a fix they are not going to want to say they were the ones who released it. Back when the Nagra 2 hacks came along it was released first as open source for DVB cards in North America because no manufacturer of FTA equipment wanted to take the heat.

There are numerous credible instances we see of progress on Nagra 3, and when they come from the same sources that told me 4 years ago that Nagra 2 was done, I'm hard pressed to find a reason why I should have more doubt this time around than I did last time.

There is so much money flying around in the FTA business these days that the cost of producing a hack is minuscule compared to return on the investment, and there are numerous players with more than 20 million dollars who still haven't had enough who have invested. Money Talks, N3 Walks. End C/P We will see inna about a week if i was givin the wrong info !!!

Thanks to mental for posting this
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[just4ufolks]

Ok
firstly
thx Carlos for the info share

NOW
With all the info
RUMORS
floating around with dates n stuff
ONE THING
that even though Viewsat has no statement to release and has nither contested all that has been attributed to the VS resources amongst the FTA community
the good part is VS is in the news without any news that can be substantiated at this time
as a result

STAY TUNED
&
STAY RIGHT HERE WITH
ABA
for all the updates and resources to take it to the next level folks
UR
one stop site
for all FTA activity n more
enjoy the show
ppl

[just4ufolks]

Originally Posted by creativegenius

There will be NO stand-alone fixes for quite some time, Zero Cool and his friends are not working on them in their Mom's basement, its simply well out of the league of only but a few of the World's best coders.

Originally Posted by creativegenius

A couple of 2600 mags and a few Pizzas are not going to solve this issue.
Keep your plastic Cap'n Crunch whistles for something more useful <grin>. The thought that a stand-alone file will be released on the 17th of September (let alone Sept 2012) is 100% crap.
If I'm proven wrong, I'll be the first to admit it, but it's simply NOT going to happen.
We'll now return to our regular programming (NASA).
Creative Genius

NAME
OF THE GAME IS
WAIT
????

You will get it first here at
aba
stay tuned

[scoyt]

I still like the 2 weeks postings. So little to read, and yet straight to the point.