im going to put the rumors to rest about DN - Page 2 - ABA DSS

**SoDarkTheCon** · March 9th, 2009

these threads are not helpful...just confuse less knowledgeable members on the forum.

djrobs · March 9th, 2009

is the OP a C+P cuz i saw this post by another well respected person on a another site and its starting to make its way around.....just a ?

**bigevil69** · March 9th, 2009

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Originally Posted by djrobs

is the OP a C+P cuz i saw this post by another well respected person on a another site and its starting to make its way around.....just a ?

probably i've seen it to by different people

ertiself · March 9th, 2009

nfusion uses IKS there by useing UDP this is the way the nfusion sends CW's and then request data from the sever. now UDP is secure by simple means that it works one way...explain.. the nfusion send's a request by UDP the server gets that request but that server may not full fill that request it maybe full filled aby another server some where else that is proxied of that server this makes UDP very hard to track.

also the IKS system is encrypted by means that it sends the CW's and also the ASIC , CAM'S this is the data that is sent from the nfusions to the server where by the suns process's of confirms the data... now i dont know about the suns but i think that it being a UDP server only that it does not work on TCP so it should be secure in that same sense but in any sense this should answer your question..

i hope this helps..

**SoDarkTheCon** · March 9th, 2009

This thread put no rumors to rest about DN, nor did it ease the mind of anyone worried about using IKS. You seem to have a better grasp on how it works, but unless you word it for people that are not computer literate unike yourself and my friend Vandal...then it remains a mystery.

ertiself · March 9th, 2009

IKS internet key shareing is as that with out giveing out the secrets to the nfusion system... the nagra encryption has code words as sorts in it.. dealing with keys and also cams.. the blocks in the cams are keyed and the nfusion streams these to the server.and from the server by UDP...the iks also can do othere things that are not online yet.. in the nfusion hd you can see network scan in the settings this is for future things also the nfusion hd and otheres have more than anough memory space to handle future N3 and rumored N4

the basics.. ECM is sent from dish in the cam's in the keyed Cw's from dish this is maping and causes most of all the V2 and emulation and also coded FTA's to go down because the code was changed.. the nfusion sends these changes it gets and the server makes the changes in the code autmaticly in most cases the system is automatic.. when they come out with updates it also address's new features that are automatic in the nfusion.. now nfusion comes real close to real emulation with automatic correction.. also IKS is secure by the means that it uses allready encrypted data from the nagra stream but also nfusion uses a form of 3 DES in there suns data i know this from the streams that i have captured from the nfusion that was sent back to the server.. now as we spoke about before IP's are not totaly 100% safe thats true.. but there is reason to relax on the nfusion because its far ahead of the companys in the way they do things and the system..IKS has been around a very long time... we have used some thing like this in the military but at a much larger level and not with UDP .. nfusion is very safe in my eyes' but i have to say that nothing is 100% because there some that will argue on this.. but if you want the best of the best now.. its nfusion..

thats all i hope this helps..

**website_vandal** · March 9th, 2009

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now UDP is secure by simple means that it works one way...

You cannot make a blanket statement like that. It simply is not true. The difference in TCP and UDP traffic is TCP traffic wants a response that the information has been received UDP doesn't care. TCP traffic makes a "handshake" with the client UDP doesn't. TCP is used when sending a single packet from a server to a client UDP is used when multiple packets must be sent to multiple clients. TCP is more suited to text and web browsing. UDP is more suited to video conferencing and streaming media. Now UDP can be encrypted YES....but I have three words of interest for you "Deep Pakect Inspection" google it you'll be shocked....isp's are using it more and more for torrents for copyright infringment.

Both TCP and UDP traffic are up for sniffing if your isp wants to. By sniffing I mean they can be captured and reassembled and read. Dude the govt. knows what hand you wipe your a$$ with....come on now.

No offense to the IKS coders but if they were REALLY smart they would of set up Tunnelizer on their server to use Socks V5 proxies. Unlike HTTP proxies or the ones that the Nfusion is able to use Socks V5 proxies allow for complete anonymity. They reveal nothing about their user, no headers, not even the fact that you are using a proxy of any kind. Now again this is NOT fool proof but **** sure is more secure then a transparent proxy that they so graciously allow you to use on the Nfusion.

Sooooo with all this said hopefully this clears up some of the technical jargon our friend is using and maybe even sets some of the rumors (actually facts about IKS) straight.

**Tbass** · March 9th, 2009

Well guys for me, This thread has been informative. I've been thinking about getting an Nfusion. I'm not stupid, but I only use my computer for the internet. Most of this talk is way abouve my head. If I do go this rout. I hope you guys are around to give me a hand, and make myself as safe as possible.

**eclipsemoon** · March 9th, 2009

All i can say is, had an nfusion for 1 year and 6 months , so far so good. next to my sonicvew the nfusion has been the most reliable. but it makes for interesting reading.